TEAM 360 or Cartel 800N?

[Superscribe]

Anybody got any opinions? I'm gonna get jacket and knickers. The pricing is pretty similar. Anybody actually interacted with both, and can give me a comparison?

[prototoast]

I have a cartel jacket, and the material is wonderful and lightweight, but the tailoring is really subpar. As a sabre fencer, I don't particulary mind it, since the jacket is just something that gets stuff under my lame anyway, but if you fence foil or epee, you probably want something that's made correctly.

[Foil.Leicester]

I've got the 360 and I really like it. Feels quite light and breathable, and perhaps most important really comfortable. Doesn't get sweat out perhaps as much as I'd like, but it does really well for me.

[DangerMouse]

I have a cartel uniform and agree, the material is by far the lightest out there, but the tailoring is boxy. I had mine tailored locally for about $30. I recently had to have the seams resewn for another $20 (I've had the uniform for 5 years). I don't own the 360, but I have a couple friends who do. By comparison the material is thick and heavy, but the tailoring and stitching is far better.

[Superscribe]

can you say which is more stretchy? Thanks

[erooMynohtnA]

From everything I've heard, the Cartel is very light but doesn't stretch. The 360 is probably stretchier, but it's not what I would call stretchy.

[DangerMouse]

Cartel doesn't stretch at all, but is very comfortable. Light and stretch don't exactly go together.

[CvilleFencer]

I haven't used the Cartel, but a bunch of my fencers are wearing the 360. They love it, zero complaints. It is cut/fits well, is fairly breathable and dries pretty quickly. Also now that they makes long sizes, the LP jackets are a better option for more people fit wise. About the only think I don't like about it is the lack of a wicking layer. I know that LP needs to protect the Sydney range, but it would be a very welcome option.

[jes282]

I have a cartel jacket and I agree about the fit... DangerMouse, you said you got yours tailored... how do you know what the best fit is? (Yeah, I'm new...)

[DangerMouse]

I went to the seamstress and had her put pins in while I was wearing it. Then she sewed along the pins while leaving the original seam intact behind it. If you are really careful about your measurements, Cartel was nice enough to customize mine for free since I need a tall size. I just screwed up the chest measurement by an inch which put the whole thing up one size. It was easier to have it tailored locally than send it back.

[jes282]

Thanks.

[erooMynohtnA]

I haven't used the Cartel, but a bunch of my fencers are wearing the 360. They love it, zero complaints. It is cut/fits well, is fairly breathable and dries pretty quickly. Also now that they makes long sizes, the LP jackets are a better option for more people fit wise. About the only think I don't like about it is the lack of a wicking layer. I know that LP needs to protect the Sydney range, but it would be a very welcome option.

By the way, I do not agree about the lining. I prefer no lining, and I just wear a long sleeved underarmour shirt underneath. For me, it's a much better solution. It seems to me like a liner in most jackets is just a way to cover up irritating inside seams rather than a design feature.

I really do view the 360 as a better jacket for not having a wicking liner.

[tdwg83]

I just got the 360 delivered today and I am loving the fit. Bonus points for the standard long sizes.