Impeach hussein obama!

[Gav]

I now dust off an old story. Some years back we had Christmas at my mother-in-law. I had just returned from a business trip to London, and bought Glenmorangie for my brother-in-law who had a taste for whiskey. We taste-tested it against Johnny Walker Black. With the JWB, I made a face and said "eeew - this is vile". With the Glenmorangie, I said "it's still vile - but it's SMOOTH stuff".

If it's real Glenmorangie it's whisky. Just so as you know...

[lindajdunn]

That's funny... Gore's "Digital Brownshirts" comment springs to my mind...

I didn't hear the massive outcry of shoutdowns...

I had to Google to comment to find that Gore said this three years ago.

Palin put it into her stump speech and made allegations that were not substantiated by any evidence. She's good at that.

This, imho, is roughly the equivalent of a domestic dispute where the 6'5", 250 pound bodybuilder claims that his 110-lb, 5'3" wife is just as guilty as he is.

[erik_blank]

Just as an aside here, since this whoel thing was started with the 'fact' that President Obama was making our country less safe through (paraphrasing here) 'being a wimp,' I wonder what the OP thinks about this news story: http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10610182

For those people out there that are needing to show their beefy muscles in an effort to ward off 'unfriendlies': Would a proper response to threats from Mr. JongIll to launch his missiles at us, be to show him just what a real ICBM looks like?

Personally I see this as saber rattling, and a bit over the top, but it is also a sign that Mr. obama may have quite a bit of smarts when it comes to dealing with bullies.

[I_luv_saber]

I had to Google to comment to find that Gore said this three years ago.

Of course you did. Because it didn't see the same coverage Republican smears did. Funny that...

Palin put it into her stump speech and made allegations that were not substantiated by any evidence. She's good at that.

I made no denial Palin is a ditz. I don't like Palin. I'm not by any means defending Palin or what she said. I'm just pointing out this smearing doesn't pay attention to what side of the aisle you are on.

This, imho, is roughly the equivalent of a domestic dispute where the 6'5", 250 pound bodybuilder claims that his 110-lb, 5'3" wife is just as guilty as he is.

Oh yes, calling someone a Nazi is so much better than calling them a terrorist . The words "Double Standard" come to mind...

There are plenty of Republicans=Nazis comments out there. Would you like another?

"In South Africa, we call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany, we'd call it fascism. Here in the United States, we call it conservatism."

Rep for who can name who said it without searching.

Democrats calling Republicans Nazis is nothing new... take a look at the 90's!

Not to mention the slander calling Bush a fascist (but that's okay, as long as it's not being done to a Democrat). I definitely don't agree with a lot of things Bush did, but a fascist he was not. Funny enough, I see Democrats doing the same thing they accuse Republicans of doing... being holier-than-thou hypocrites. They just do it in different ways...

[Bayou Bum]

There's a psychological condition called "projection", where an individual ascribes to other people behavior that he himself has. Your own bias is what's being demonstrated.

So here's the facts: "here's how to smear Democrats" training programs are a factual part of Republican strategy. That was one of the "innovations" fostered by Newt Gingrich. It was completely public - they were proud of their programs.

I didn't claim that the Republicans weren't guilty, but that you were blind and foolish for claiming that the Democrats weren't guilty of the same thing. You really don't listen, do you?

Such foolish and ignorant remarks. None of the things you describe are actually happening. You are completely out of touch with reality. No autocracy. No dictatorial leader - heck, Obama can't even get other Democrats to go along with what he wanted with Gitmo. No economic and social regimentation: on the one hand he's continuing programs Bush started and bailing out companies from their own mistakes, and on the social side he's not forcing anyone into camps either. Forcible suppression of opposition? You make me laugh. What, are you claiming that Obama jack booted troopers are suppressing you, Fox News and Rush Limbaugh?

Not actually happening?

Promoting nationalism over individualism: “In America,” Obama says, “we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations.” and "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." Over and over, Obama and the Democrat Party has stressed nationalism over individualism, going so far as labeling successful individuals as the evil rich and greedy and promoting his idea of our civic responsibility to spread the wealth around.

Centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader: Obama immediately started ruling with executive orders, forcing his legislation quickly through congress (with congress not even having time to read the bills), seizing ownership in private businesses, terminating executives of private businesses and setting compensation limits for industries, forcing states to take bailout money, creating industry czars to create more government control, taking control of banks and lending, forcing private businesses to close, ignoring existing contract law regarding bankruptcies, and pushing for government control of health care with his only response to criticism is "we won". Even in his own party, those that oppose him are terminated or forced to resign.

Severe economic and social regimentation: Obvious by the message of spreading the wealth around, taxes on behavior, bailouts for constituents (ie. unions), government control of basic needs such as health care, employment, and housing.

Forcible suppression of opposition: Reporters who were tough on him as a candidate were kicked off his campaign plane. Homeland Security is out with a new report painting pro-lifers, returning military veterans, and those who oppose current immigration policy as “right wing extremists.” He wants to demonize those who disagree. He wants to silence talk radio and Fox news for disagreeing with him. He is pushing card-check to strengthen union membership and create more funding for democrat candidates and more democrat voters. He and Hillary Clinton who said she has never understood the two-party system, would prefer a one-party oligarchy over the two-party system. In short, he is doing everything he can to suppress the opposition.

Verdict: Fascist!!!!

If you don't agree, what would you call him, a capitalist? Socialist maybe, but I think the best description is Fascist. And no, I am not comparing him to Hitler just because they are both Fascist, that is a typical democrat smear against those with opposing views.

You should stop your hysterics and rants. It's an insult to people who have actually suffered under fascism to call current conditions fascism.

As long as the right wing is as delusional as Bayou Bum, they won't be able to regain political power. For that reason, I almost hope that they keep up their foolishness.

Did you actually suffer under fascism or under a fascist? Maybe if you had listened to someone like me warning you back then, you wouldn't have had to. I am trying to make sure that it doesn't happen again. Are you saying that it is only an issue when people are murdered?

In a description of Italy in the 1930's:
"Trying to handle the crisis, the Fascist government nationalized the holdings of large banks which had accrued significant industrial securities. The government also issued new securities to provide a source of credit for the banks and began enlisting the help of various cartels…. The government offered recognition and support to these organizations in exchange for promises that they would manipulate prices in accordance with government priorities. A number of mixed entities were formed… whose purpose it was to bring together representatives of the government and of the major businesses.… This economic model based on a partnership between government and business was soon extended to the political sphere, in what came to be known as corporatism.… The Fascists began to impose significant tariffs and other trade barriers.… Various banking and industrial companies were financially supported by the state.… [The national leader] created the [New Governmental Entity]….[which soon] controlled 20% of [the nation's] industry through government-linked companies.… [The national leader] also adopted a Keynesian policy of government spending on public works to stimulate the economy.… Public works spending tripled to overtake defense spending as the largest item of government expenditure."

[Hauptman]

BB, everything you attributed to Obama and the Democrats could be attributed to Bush and the Republicans as well. (Aside from your obvious factual errors)

Wasn't it a few years ago when the Republicans were touting a perpetual Republican majority in congress?

Wasn't "Country First" the Republican/John McCain campaign slogan?

Didn't the Republicans in congress and the White House support Republicans at every level?

Didn't Bush bail out banks and corporations? (Reagan bailed out the Savings & Loans)

Didn't that Homeland Security report about Right Wing terrorism follow a similar report about Left Wing terrorism? And weren't both reports conducted under the Bush administration?

Didn't Bush rule through executive orders and possibly illegal signing statements?

Finally, Obama has no power over any business that hasn't failed and come begging to the gov't for a bailout. There has been absolutely no attempt to go out and take over anything except to keep those businesses from crashing and burning.

And suppression of the opposition? You must be kidding me!! Let me know when a single commentator ANYWHERE in this country is suppressed. Try and remember back to the days when the Bush administration merely leaked phoney information to the press to falsely move public opinion in their direction.

By your own standards, if Obama is a fascist then Bush was clearly one too.

[Bayou Bum]

BB, everything you attributed to Obama and the Democrats could be attributed to Bush and the Republicans as well. (Aside from your obvious factual errors)

Wasn't it a few years ago when the Republicans were touting a perpetual Republican majority in congress?

Wasn't "Country First" the Republican/John McCain campaign slogan?

Didn't the Republicans in congress and the White House support Republicans at every level?

Didn't Bush bail out banks and corporations? (Reagan bailed out the Savings & Loans)

Didn't that Homeland Security report about Right Wing terrorism follow a similar report about Left Wing terrorism? And weren't both reports conducted under the Bush administration?

Didn't Bush rule through executive orders and possibly illegal signing statements?

Finally, Obama has no power over any business that hasn't failed and come begging to the gov't for a bailout. There has been absolutely no attempt to go out and take over anything except to keep those businesses from crashing and burning.

And suppression of the opposition? You must be kidding me!! Let me know when a single commentator ANYWHERE in this country is suppressed. Try and remember back to the days when the Bush administration merely leaked phoney information to the press to falsely move public opinion in their direction.

By your own standards, if Obama is a fascist then Bush was clearly one too.

So, instead of showing what you think Obama is, you claim that he is just doing what others have done? Is your only comeback "Bush did it too"? I also remember democrats calling Bush a Nazi. I can also find others that have done the same thing, Mussolini, Stalin, etc., but by definition, Obama is acting like a FASCIST!!!

As for suppression, I gave some examples and also remind you of the so called "Fairness Doctrine" the democrats so want to enact. And if you seriously claim that Obama has no control over companies or industries, then there is no point in continuing this discussion as you obviously do believe Obama is the Messiah.

[Sins of the Fleche]

Eh, this liberal usage of Fascist moves me to put in my 2 cents worth.

Obama's ideology, such as I can interpret it from speeches and actions, is old-school Big Government liberalism, in the vein of FDR, maybe with some dashes of LBJ's "progressiveness" thrown in too. Obama is bailing out companies and extending government support to flagging economic sectors, like FDR did. He's also talking about raising taxes (including those of households that make less than 250k a year, for those keeping count of broken campaign promises) and increasing government spending on public works or services, like his proposed health care. In this sense, he's acting more like a 20th century Socialist out of the European school of thought.

Also, even thought its not fascism par se, many fascists like Mussolini and Hitler really appealed hard to nationalist sentiments and employed the imagery of Italian or German imperial might. Obama's foreign policy seems to suggest he's not going that route.

If anything, I'ld grant you labeling Obama a Socialist (at least in the popular American understanding of the term), or more likely a left-leaning Liberal. Fascism is usually considered far right-wing, which is something I don't think Obama's in any danger of ever being called. If Obama starts revoking Constitutional Amendments, I'll agree with you he's gone Fascist. Until then, I'ld consider him a Socialist passing himself off as a Populist.

Eh, just my opinion though.

[Gav]

Ah so we've invoked Godwin's. There's no longer any point in this discussion.

[Purple Fencer]

Ah so we've invoked Godwin's. There's no longer any point in this discussion.

And it only took 4, maybe 5 pages....

[Hauptman]

Ah so we've invoked Godwin's. There's no longer any point in this discussion.

Was there any point prior ?

[treehugginfencer]

OMG why would anyone want to impeach the greatest president ever??? Are you insane?

[Bayou Bum]

Helen Thomas: "Not Even Nixon Tried to Control the Media Like Obama"

[jeff]

If it's real Glenmorangie it's whisky. Just so as you know...

My bad - I humbly apologize!

[Nolano]

Threads like this remind me of why I stay the hell out of the politics forum.

[I_luv_saber]

You're probably better off.

[Inquartata]

Maybe we are, too.

No one likes a snob, Nolano.

[Sins of the Fleche]

In ancient Athens, it was considered a public service and your civic duty to the city to go to the town assemblies and scream at each other until an opinion prevailed. This forum is merely carrying on that fine, somewhat violent tradition.

Which leads me to wonder if ancient Athens had trolls...

[migopod]

In ancient Athens, it was considered a public service and your civic duty to the city to go to the town assemblies and scream at each other until an opinion prevailed. This forum is merely carrying on that fine, somewhat violent tradition.

Which leads me to wonder if ancient Athens had trolls...

Socrates is the father of forum trolling actually. It was for this that he was eventually b&.

That and corrupting youth.