Sri Lanka vs. Israeli conflicts. Why the different coverage.

[fatfencer]

Thinking on...it seems incredible that 150,000 Jewish Americans fought in Korea. That's 10% of the entire US military participation, much higher than their representation in WW2 and 3x their proportion of the US population.

Why do you think this is? I can only think of a few tentative suggestions..

1. Increase in immigration of Jews to America 1945-50.
2. Higher number of soldiers identifying themselves as Jewish following WW2 with general decline in anti-semitism in America (also possible making the WW2 figures artificially low)
3. Galvanised by experiences in WW2, fewer J-A soldiers, as a percentage, choose to rejoin civilian life after serving in WW2.

The figure is also incredible when contrasted to the number of J-As who fought in Vietnam (just 0.004% of Americans who served). I gues that social-economic demographics were much more significant in who fought in that war. Put simply, more J-A's got college deferments and their place was taken by African Americans and Latinos.

Or, there could be statistical cock up. i.e only J-As in the army in Vietnam were considered compared to all arms of the military in WW2 and Korea.

Actually, just thought of another possibility. There may have been a significant increase in number of J-As of military age who chose to do military service in Israel.

Any other ideas?

I suspect there's an added zero there shouldnt be. I called the Jewish whatever it was to find what you SAID was on their website. I couldnt. I'm not sayig it isnt there but maybe its in some obtuse corner that I overlooked.

Regardless, I'll call again. I have a very tough time believing 150000 Jews served IN Korea or WW2 for that matter. Not because I want to be right about this. Really, in this case i'd rather be wrong but 150k seems very high.


FF

[fatfencer]

I have brought plenty of evidence that you just chose to ignore. Your evidence exists in the forms of listing as many top-level jewish executives as you can find. That's not evidence of some sort of an Israeli bias. I don't know if I really need to explain this to you but there is no such thing as a secret jewish society. Just because someone is Jewish does not mean that they have some sort of a secret Israeli agenda. This has been pointed out to you by at least 4 people in the last few months (myself, ILS, Hauptman, Jeff) and many others. You still say if you're Jewish then you love Israel, hate America, want every Muslim in the world to die, and just want to rule the world in general. And the only way to prove that you're a true American you have to denounce Israel. Can this debate really go on if that is your unwavering position?

Once I've verified the numbers Ill speak to them. they are too high, IMHO and theres something wrong in the statistics.

Meanwhile. NO it wasnt just a list, I then added several little telling bits you conveniently ignore stating that they not only own the media but that theres significant pressure put on the media by the Jewish Lobby to be pro Jew.

This may have been merely a few Jews talking out their hinders and NOT be true, but, it is true enough that you need bring real evidence that speaks very strictly towards that issue otherwise you're losing there.
FF

PS: I would like someone to show me a shred of evidence that Jewish philanthropy leaves the Jewish community and gets spent on the general public. I cannot find it and I'm trying to. When the masses are poor and the Jews are rich bad things tend to happen historically. I would like to see if Jewish community groups are sharing the wealth or no... but I dont want to threadjack this. Please PM it to me. Thanks.

[Fencer X and Y]

I suspect there's an added zero there shouldnt be.

This is what always happens FF. When you're presented data with that directly contradicts what you are saying your response is... the data is wrong.

I called the Jewish whatever it was to find what you SAID was on their website. I couldnt. I'm not sayig it isnt there but maybe its in some obtuse corner that I overlooked.
Regardless, I'll call again. I have a very tough time believing 150000 Jews served IN Korea or WW2 for that matter. Not because I want to be right about this. Really, in this case i'd rather be wrong but 150k seems very high.

You called the "Jewish whatever it was"? I hear they changed their name to the "Jewish Whatchamacallit-Thingamjigs." Try calling them.

Meanwhile. NO it wasnt just a list, I then added several little telling bits you conveniently ignore stating that they not only own the media but that theres significant pressure put on the media by the Jewish Lobby to be pro Jew.

All right I'll adress this. Again the only thing you've done was taken quotes out of context that say yes there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood and you ask us to make the logical leap of Jews control the US Media. As far as the media being pro-Jew, it is not. Quite honestly I don't even know what it means when you say the media has a pro-Jew bias? If you mean that you won't find anything out there criticizing the Jews that's because Jews are basically a race and criticizing Jews would be just like criticizing Blacks or Asians. It doesn't happen because it's racist. Remember the kind of flak that Bill Cosby got for saying that Black men need to step up and be responsible for all the children they are abandoning? Are you saying that the US media is run by blacks and it is pro-Black?

This may have been merely a few Jews talking out their hinders and NOT be true, but, it is true enough that you need bring real evidence that speaks very strictly towards that issue otherwise you're losing there.

No it wasn't a few Jews talking out of their butts. It was a few Jews saying what everyone knows: there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood. SO WHAT????
And no I don't need to bring you any evidence. FF please look on every other thread regarding this issue. Have you ever won anything. Has anyone ever won anything? No. I'm not losing anything there is nothing to lose or win. You can try to distort the truth as much as you want but in the end it is what it is. If it helps you sleep better at night knowing that the Jews are the reason behind all of your problems then so be it.

PS: I would like someone to show me a shred of evidence that Jewish philanthropy leaves the Jewish community and gets spent on the general public. I cannot find it and I'm trying to. When the masses are poor and the Jews are rich bad things tend to happen historically. I would like to see if Jewish community groups are sharing the wealth or no... but I dont want to threadjack this. Please PM it to me. Thanks.

No one will PM anything to you because it is a useless exercise and a stupid idea. Again your Korean example of churches is stupid. Churches send out missionaries in order to bring more people into the flock. Every piece of food and clothing comes with a little flyer that says "Jesus loves you and if you join our church you will never be poor again." So the only reason any funds go outside of their community is to make their community bigger. Your ridiculous requirments for Jews are the same as calling black people selfish because they are donating to the United Negro College Fund. You know what FF have you donated money to Israel? No? You mean you've only donated money to causes that you support and think are worth your time? I guess you are just as selfish as the Jews then huh?

[pigeonmeister]

I suspect there's an added zero there shouldnt be. I called the Jewish whatever it was to find what you SAID was on their website. I couldnt. I'm not sayig it isnt there but maybe its in some obtuse corner that I overlooked.

Regardless, I'll call again. I have a very tough time believing 150000 Jews served IN Korea or WW2 for that matter. Not because I want to be right about this. Really, in this case i'd rather be wrong but 150k seems very high.

FF

Not sure why you have a tough time believing the WW2 statistic. Interstingly, almost as many Jews served in the Soviet army as in the US.

Regarding the Korean stats, it does appear very high. However, it is repeated in various sources- including 'The ethics of war' By Richard Sorabji and David Rodin. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3...esult&resnum=4

Also here: http://www.qjhs.org/docs/SaluteToThe...arVeterans.pdf

This source, written by Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America, however contradicts other sources- stating that 150,000 is the combined total for Korea, Vietnam and the Gulf War http://www.nmajmh.org/americanJewish...0th%20book.pdf

This would still equate to well over 100,000 in Korea.

[fatfencer]

[QUOTE=Fencer X and Y;802664]


All right I'll adress this. Again the only thing you've done was taken quotes out of context that say yes there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood and you ask us to make the logical leap of Jews control the US Media.

Oh no the Jews I quoted from the Chicago Board of Rabbis and several others would disagree with you.

As far as the media being pro-Jew, it is not. Quite honestly I don't even know what it means when you say the media has a pro-Jew bias? If you mean that you won't find anything out there criticizing the Jews that's because Jews are basically a race and criticizing Jews would be just like criticizing Blacks or Asians. It doesn't happen because it's racist.

You say it isnt but youve not one shred of evidence towards that fact but if you go back and reread many pieces of evidence from laudable, non anti-semitic sources, say otherwise.

Remember the kind of flak that Bill Cosby got for saying that Black men need to step up and be responsible for all the children they are abandoning? Are you saying that the US media is run by blacks and it is pro-Black?

theres a reason I actually like Bill Cosby. He was right. Black men need to provide better care for their children. Black women practically invented the slang term "mybabydaddy".

No it wasn't a few Jews talking out of their butts. It was a few Jews saying what everyone knows: there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood.

No no Joel Stein, LA Times didnt say there were Jews IN Hollywood, he said they OWN Hollywood.

SO WHAT????
And no I don't need to bring you any evidence.

Yes, yes you do otherwise you are merely asserting against what evidence has proven....

FF please look on every other thread regarding this issue. Have you ever won anything.

Yes, Hauptman and one other Jew finally capitulated, even Jeff finally admitted, at the cost of our brief friendship(which wasnt worth anything because he is a spineless Internet warrior-typist), that AIPAC has too much infleunce and control.

Has anyone ever won anything? No. I'm not losing anything there is nothing to lose or win.

Sadly, no. You are wrong. I don't need any medals though. Just the knowledge that I proved myself correct is enough.

You can try to distort the truth as much as you want but in the end it is what it is. If it helps you sleep better at night knowing that the Jews are the reason behind all of your problems then so be it.

Oh no I never said the Jews were the cause of any of my problems, I've just noticed that other than profit-taking, they dont do much for the society they live in. And I have noticed that they control the media.

Nuff Said, Done with thread... except I do want to see if I get a call back from the JWV to see just how many they really claim fought in Korea.

FF

No one will PM anything to you because it is a useless exercise and a stupid idea. Again your Korean example of churches is stupid. Churches send out missionaries in order to bring more people into the flock. Every piece of food and clothing comes with a little flyer that says "Jesus loves you and if you join our church you will never be poor again." So the only reason any funds go outside of their community is to make their community bigger.

Ahh but they do go outside their community and their help is still help. What do the Jews do again?

Your ridiculous requirments for Jews are the same as calling black people selfish because they are donating to the United Negro College Fund.

Actually African Americans have been a powerful force for good; and they do lots of charitable work in the South.

You know what FF have you donated money to Israel? No? You mean you've only donated money to causes that you support and think are worth your time? I guess you are just as selfish as the Jews then huh?

No I've never been as selfish as a Jew. I give much money to many charities and do do some actual labor myself. I do work at food shelves, and have even helped teach disadvantaged people how to read and do math. What is for certain is that I do if for the benefit of my fellow citizens, for the environment, etc. Many of them yes are Christian based charities, but they reach out to people. That they wish to convert them to Christ thru their example isnt a bad thing nor does it make less of their efforts to serve.

Remember. Something is better than nothing.



None of this is true for the vast majority of Jewish Philanthropic ... unless of course you'd care to share some evidence?


FF

PS: Done with thread except to see whether JVA actually has credible numbers.

[pigeonmeister]

[QUOTE=fatfencer;802695]

PS: Done with thread except to see whether JVA actually has credible numbers.

I have provided 3 sources...two restating 150,000 and 1 at least over 100,000.

One of those sources is a major book written by one of the biggest names in academia, Richard Sorabji CBE, FBA. American Academy of Arts and Sciences, Foreign Member of the Royal Flemish Academy of Arts and Sciences of Belgium, Cyprus Global Distinguished Professor of Classics, New York University Emeritus Professor of Philosophy, King's College London, Honorary Fellow, Wolfson College, University of Oxford.

And no, he isn't Jewish!

[I_luv_saber]

FF, evidence has been put forth. But you chose to either ignore it, or not give it the credit it deserved. As an act of good faith, even though I felt your "evidence" was BS, I went ahead and provided counter-evidence (mostly because I figured it would so damned easy to find... and indeed it was). You've still yet to post anything to counter it (also, I'd like an actual citation this time, please... it's very bad form to simply quote a website without providing links (as long as we're being so civil)).

What debunks my evidence? You've made the broad assertion that Jews own Hollywood. I just showed you big people in the industry who are NOT Jews, CEO's and owners alike. I don't need to go down the line and prove there are NO Jews in Hollywood. Indeed, I know there are. I simply have to prove there is no monopoly, since that was your assertion, and what I already did. Would you like me to repost all of my evidence again?

Yes, Hauptman and one other Jew finally capitulated, even Jeff finally admitted, at the cost of our brief friendship(which wasnt worth anything because he is a spineless Internet warrior-typist), that AIPAC has too much infleunce and control.

That's not what most of us are arguing against. Indeed, to me, that is another argument entirely. The argument at hand is the racist idea that Jews control the media an d are forcing their bias down the throats of Americans, a ridiculous notion which has been proven to be wrong, but which you seem to still want to press without evidence!

If you want to argue about AIPAC, that is a different argument. Don't misconstrue an agreement there to be a win here.

If I say "There's oxygen in the atmosphere" and you agree, then I say "The moon is made of cheese", it does not mean you agree that the moon is made of cheese, much as you'd like to believe that. You've not won this argument, but if you'd like to think so it doesn't really matter... you are alone in that sentiment.

[fatfencer]

Yes because your evidence doesnt say what you want it to say.
Go ahead and repost. Meanwhile I have specific quotes from Jewish sources that say there IS essentially a monopoly and there is Jew Bias as a result.

I posted them and you essentially sidestepped them thinking you could say they were 'random quotes' or some such craziness.


You telling me Bewkes works in the business doesnt mean there isnt enough of a stranglehold on the media for Jewish bias to take place.

Meanwhile my quotes say that it does take place.

You have to get specific evidence from authority figures saying that there is no bias. Preferably Jewish ones.

FF

[I_luv_saber]

Yes because your evidence doesnt say what you want it to say.
Go ahead and repost. Meanwhile I have specific quotes from Jewish sources that say there IS essentially a monopoly and there is Jew Bias as a result.

If you'd like, then I will edit this message with the corresponding evidence.

EDIT: Here is what I posted earlier...

EDIT: Also, I've been searching the owners of CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC... some of the biggest names in the biz.

{snip}

Wikipedia pages for Jeffrey Bewkes, Rupert Murdoch, and Jeff Zucker's discussion page. I note that Zucker is NBC, hence probably considered less influential than Fox or CNN, and that it is specifically pointed out in Murdoch's discussion page that claims of him being Jewish are false, with a citation showing so. Any allegations otherwise are dubious, at best.

EDIT EDIT: A quick search on CNN also reveals an article (the first I found with the word "Israel" in it, the other I found on page 1 being neutral, simply reporting about war drills) that isn't terribly favorable towards Israel. It can be found here. Where are you finding this bias?

You have uncited, unlinked quotes from Jewish people saying they own the media. Quotes are, at best, very shaky evidence. Fact don't lie. The monopoly simply isn't there, I don't care if Jewish people say otherwise (they'd be wrong, too).

I posted them and you essentially sidestepped them thinking you could say they were 'random quotes' or some such craziness.

I do find uncited quotes to be dubious, at best, but again, I did post counter-evidence as an act of good faith anyway. For the sake of argument, I accepted the quotes. It was you who has sidestepped my evidence, not providing anything to counter it.

You telling me Bewkes works in the business doesnt mean there isnt enough of a stranglehold on the media for Jewish bias to take place.

But it wasn't just one person. It was a handful of people, in very powerful positions. I'm simply not going to waste my time pulling up every damn person in the business just to let you know of their ethnic background.

Really, simply the fact Rupert Murdoch alone is not Jewish is enough to prove there is no stranglehold... he controls a great deal by himself.

Meanwhile my quotes say that it does take place.

Meanwhile my cited facts say otherwise.

Shall I conduct a poll to see who believes which?

You have to get specific evidence from authority figures saying that there is no bias. Preferably Jewish ones.

I've done better. A quote from an expert may still be biased (experts are not exempt from racism or from paranoia or from bragging)... I've shown that it simply isn't the case. Wikipedia states quite clearly who owns what and who are and are not CEO's or owners. It's pretty clear... no monopoly.

But by all means, continue to do what you always do. Present shaky, uncited, dubious evidence, and refute when others present counter-evidence. Stick to your strengths.

[Fencer X and Y]

PS: Done with thread except to see whether JVA actually has credible numbers.

I'm glad you're done with this thread. I was hoping you wouldn't post in this thread and basically said so in my OP. You never bring anything new to any argument except the same old tired agenda. We get it you don't like the Jews. Okay.

Now back to the original thread, has anyone been able to find the final figures of the casualties in Sri Lanka? I've looked but all I've been able to find are guesstimates based on leaked information and "annonymous" sources.

[pigeonmeister]

Now back to the original thread, has anyone been able to find the final figures of the casualties in Sri Lanka? I've looked but all I've been able to find are guesstimates based on leaked information and "annonymous" sources.

You won't find any official figures. The Guardian is reporting 15,000 in the last three months but basing this on just one health official.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...sri-lankan-war

[jeff]

I'm seeing numbers like 20,000

UPI: Sri Lanka denies 20,000 casualties claim http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/05/...2681243686148/

Guardian, citing UN unsubstantiated report: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...united-nations

[erooMynohtnA]

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"The president is dead," the general said, "they need some payback."
"We'll show them what means caveat emptor." I replied with grim wit and improbable syntax. Everybody laughed really hard at my apropos comment and secretly made me the president because nobody else could do it.

[TBean]

No I've never been as selfish as a Jew. I give much money to many charities and do do some actual labor myself. I do work at food shelves, and have even helped teach disadvantaged people how to read and do math. What is for certain is that I do if for the benefit of my fellow citizens, for the environment, etc. Many of them yes are Christian based charities, but they reach out to people. That they wish to convert them to Christ thru their example isnt a bad thing nor does it make less of their efforts to serve.

Remember. Something is better than nothing.



None of this is true for the vast majority of Jewish Philanthropic ... unless of course you'd care to share some evidence?

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No, you are providing money and time to institutions and organizations that mean something to you personally. I highly doubt that you randomly picking charities to support - something about them speaks to you and you respond. Yes, Jews support their own community - because no one else was going to do it. Mainstream charities in the 30's, 40's and 50's and beyond were not going to help immigrant Jews - either coming into this country or fleeing to Israel. So the Jews took it upon themselves to help their own because the Salvation Army sure the hell wasn't going to.

That philosophy is changing rapidly Jews do not want their philanthropy to only serve Jewish causes. Jewish philathropy is deep and far reaching, and many Foundations established by Jews spend much, if not all, of their time and resources helping non-Jews.

Steven Spielberg's Wunderkinder Foundation supports more than 75 diverse organizations and institutions, from the American Museum of Natural History to the Young Musicians Foundation. It gave generously to Vista Del Mar Child and Family Services and to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, two institutions founded by Los Angeles Jews that serve a largely non-Jewish population.

Public radio? The Carl & Ruth Shapiro Family Foundation gave millions to WGBH in Boston. According to The Boston Globe, the Shapiro Foundation gave more than $80.3 million over the past decade to hundreds of schools, hospitals, arts groups and community-based nonprofits in the Boston area and beyond.

Human rights? The JEHT Foundation in Massachusetts gave millions to the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights Watch, among many other organizations.

The arts? The Arthur I. and Sydelle F. Meyer Charitable Foundation of West Palm Beach, Fla., supported the Kravis Center for the Performing Arts, the Norton Museum of Art and a downtown Palm Beach amphitheater, among others.

[Phaeton]

Let me just say, that FF, if you know the Jewish illuminati, can you give them a call for me. I could use their help right know with getting a few things done (like having them "negotiate" the acceptance of a short of mine into Sundance.) Don't they want to help a Hebro* out?

*portmanteau of "Hebrew" and "Bro"

The Jewish Illumaniti don't exist. There is no Kabbalah Cabel. The fact of the matter that yes, while Jews help each other (there really is no one else to do it) the community is not as tight knit as it would seem. There are plenty of divisions within the Jewish community, and often people identify as a number of things before they identify as being a Jew.

I can honestly say I have gotten a lot more from my family coming from South America than I have from being Jewish. (Yay affirmative action). I see other ethnic/religious groups that are a lot more tight knit than the Jewish community and a lot more helpful to their own members. Every Persian person I knows every other Persian person I know...and if I happen to be out on the street with a Persian person, others come and ask how they are, and then invite the person I am with to come for tea, or stay over, or the like. I'm sure not all Persians are like this, but this is a tendency of the community as a whole.

So look, coming from a guy that would benefit if the world was tilted towards his 2% of the US population, we aren't all that special. We're people. We have complex identities and aren't all agents of the pope. Saying that all Jews are pro-Israel is like saying that all Catholics are slaves to the pope, and the US under JFK was really a principality of the Papal States.

Why are Jews so successful then? Because we've been oppressed for a long, long time, but were given room to learn. This is perhaps the same reason that Germans were able to have such intellectual power after the unification up until the Weimar Republic. As a group, Jews had to constantly assert superiority in some way, to be needed, so they worked at it. Jews do well because they work hard and have a culture of literacy, just as Prussians do well because they work hard, and all the East Asian immigrants of the last generation took US Universities by storm. They worked hard. (There, however, seems to have been a bit of a demographic shift in who is immigrating, and the "hard-working stereotype" may start hurting people)

Once the balance of power shifts, you're going to see the Jewish minority in the United States become less and less important, as other hard-working groups move in and take the places filled by a community that appears to me in large part to be satiated.

[fatfencer]

No, you are providing money and time to institutions and organizations that mean something to you personally. I highly doubt that you randomly picking charities to support - something about them speaks to you and you respond. Yes, Jews support their own community - because no one else was going to do it. Mainstream charities in the 30's, 40's and 50's and beyond were not going to help immigrant Jews - either coming into this country or fleeing to Israel. So the Jews took it upon themselves to help their own because the Salvation Army sure the hell wasn't going to.

That philosophy is changing rapidly Jews do not want their philanthropy to only serve Jewish causes. Jewish philathropy is deep and far reaching, and many Foundations established by Jews spend much, if not all, of their time and resources helping non-Jews.

Steven Spielberg's Wunderkinder Foundation supports more than 75 diverse organizations and institutions, from the American Museum of Natural History to the Young Musicians Foundation. It gave generously to Vista Del Mar Child and Family Services and to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, two institutions founded by Los Angeles Jews that serve a largely non-Jewish population.

Public radio? The Carl & Ruth Shapiro Family Foundation gave millions to WGBH in Boston. According to The Boston Globe, the Shapiro Foundation gave more than $80.3 million over the past decade to hundreds of schools, hospitals, arts groups and community-based nonprofits in the Boston area and beyond.

Human rights? The JEHT Foundation in Massachusetts gave millions to the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights Watch, among many other organizations.

The arts? The Arthur I. and Sydelle F. Meyer Charitable Foundation of West Palm Beach, Fla., supported the Kravis Center for the Performing Arts, the Norton Museum of Art and a downtown Palm Beach amphitheater, among others.

If this is all true and I dont have any reason to doubt it, then I am glad. It's good to see that Jews are giving back to the communities they live in. I had not found anything close to what you describe however. Nevertheless, I'm glad you did.

FF

[Inquartata]

In an earlier post I listed who currently owns/ceo's most of American media. And yes, all jews.

Really? "All"?

In about 10 minutes on the net, I came up with:

Katherine Weymouth, CEO, Washington Post Company
Ted Turner
Kirk Kerkorian
Steve Forbes
Jeff Immelt, CEO, GE ( owner of NBC )
Rupert Murdoch
Richard Branson
Paul Allen
Felix Dennis

And Linda Dunn's favorite, Arianna Huffington.

All fairly powerful individuals in the media.

Stein says that Americans who think the Jews do not control Hollywood and the media are just plain "dumb."

Your faith in the infallibility of Jews is surprising.

They are, in your opinion, incapable of being mistaken? Or even of lying?

Stating an opinion does not constitute evidence, does it?

He then goes on to provide a long, long list of Hollywood/media chieftains-all Jews!-to prove his point.

And doesn't bother to spend even the few minutes on the net that I did, in order to see if there are any counterexamples to his theory?

Then there are the actors and entertainers - predominantly Jews, from Barbra Streisand and Gwyneth Paltrow, from Adam Sandler to Ben Stiller...Jew, Jew and Jew again.

And again, counterexamples are as easy to name. Eastwood, De Niro, Pacino, Nicholson, Neeson, Pitt, Cruise, Gibson... Streep, Dench, Kidman, Jolie, Diaz, Aniston, Alba, Barrymore, Witherspoon...

Stein says he then called Abe Foxman, Chairman of the Jewish ADL, to ask him, why don't more Jews just come out and boast at this great accomplishment? Foxman responded by admitting that yes, it's true that most of the top execs "happen to be Jewish." In fact, Foxman told Stein, "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish."

Meh, so now hearsay...

1) Jews own most media

Is it really ownership which counts...or is it control?

Is it the investors in a media outlet...or the editorial board?

Because, you know, I suspect that if you checked actual ownership---as opposed to just assuming that "prominent name/executive position" equals "owner", you'd probably find that most publicly traded corporations ( including media organs ) are primarily owned by institutions, like mutual funds, banks and pension funds, not by their CEOs or other prime movers. That is, they are owned by millions of shareholders. Top execs may control large individual blocs of stock, but this is not majority ownership...

Ok so Jeff Zucker may not be a jew... small quibble.

Whaaaat?

According to the estimable Mr. Stein: "mega Jew".

Can he possibly be fallible after all?

Rupert Murdoch: [I][U][B]His mother, (by which Jews trace their racial designation), is the Jew

This is really funny logic. Very deterministic.

So...if my mother was Catholic...and I am an atheist...I am really a Catholic.

If my grandfather was a Communist, and I'm a Republican...I am really a Communist.

If your ancestors were Korean...you are not an American...you are a Korean?

Come on, you can do better than that.

Murdoch is a Presbyterian. We decide our own beliefs and faiths. Otherwise there would be no Christians, would there? And no Muslims. We'd all be Jews, or Zoroastrians, or Buddhists...

Korea is my primary cultural heritage, it colors my thinking and I have access to 5000 years of history. However, I am first and foremost, proudly, an American citizen. I have no dual citizenship though it is mine for the asking. Nor do I have any sense of loyalty to that country at all.

So, you profess not to be bound utterly by the interests and needs of Korea, do you not? You say that you are American first, and that it's welfare and interests come above those of Korea, even though your forebears were Korean?

Yet somehow Jews cannot do this...because they are Jews?

Thinking on...it seems incredible that 150,000 Jewish Americans fought in Korea.

Why do you think this is? I can only think of a few tentative suggestions..

1. Increase in immigration of Jews to America 1945-50.
2. Higher number of soldiers identifying themselves as Jewish following WW2 with general decline in anti-semitism in America (also possible making the WW2 figures artificially low)
3. Galvanised by experiences in WW2, fewer J-A soldiers, as a percentage, choose to rejoin civilian life after serving in WW2.

Or, there could be statistical cock up. i.e only J-As in the army in Vietnam were considered compared to all arms of the military in WW2 and Korea.

Actually, just thought of another possibility. There may have been a significant increase in number of J-As of military age who chose to do military service in Israel.

Any other ideas?

Yes, of course. It's a clever lie invented by the Jews who control the media.