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Loved the commentary, hope to see more!
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Great that those with the skill are taking the time to post these kinds of analysis. Even if some of it is guesswork, it still gives those of us towards the lower level of skill a framework in which we can think towards improving our own game.
I am surprised how close the two got on some of the preparatory movements without going for a touch. I suppose the speed and accuracy at which they would typically move the blade means those distances do not always involve a good opening - could be hit by riposte or counter.
On the other side of that, one of the things that continues to impress my about the high level fencers is how well they can keep distance - the timing and ground covered retreating against the opponent's advances. My fencing philosophy = quantity over quality. Eliminate the rest periods! Fence all three weapons! 15 touches for Vet DE's!
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Great commentary, more of this kind of thing would be wonderful!
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 Originally Posted by epeelion  That probably has something to do with the fact that he's come in second place 428210278310 times. Ha ha ha! Excellent.
Nice commentary, too.
I've just looked a few minutes into the bout. I'm interested in what cues you see setting up the actions. The first five minutes is a study in how to begin an épée bout in 2008/9. Touches on pure distance. Your (A's) "classic overtake" is my "faire tomber dans la vide". Which naturally leads to setting him up into a parry riposte (T.'s brilliant à propos with opposition). The takeaway, if you're learning tactics is if you know why you got hit--and can express it in language--you can then select the appropriate countermeasure.
T.'s flèche seems to come when Abajo's torso is rocking forward over his front foot.
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Originally Posted by Durando T.'s flèche seems to come when Abajo's torso is rocking forward over his front foot. Hmmm...that's why the fleche is able to score. Is he seeing something JUST BEFORE this that actually triggers the fleche?
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Epeelion, thanks a lot for doing this!
Last edited by Allen Evans; 05-14-2009 at 09:49 AM.
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WhatI think is that T.'s ability to stop and feint throws A. off balance. While Abajo is motoring forwards, T. uses confusing footwork to make A. unsure, and A is not as good at changing direction, so he rocks forwards. T. also makes good feints that make A. want to counterattack, so even this slight tendency may draw A. forwards. When A. sees that he needs to stop, he freezes, and this is when T. fleshes. "Preparation is the soul of tactics. And tactics are the soul of fencing."-Aladar Kogler
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Abajo is repeatedly rocking over his front foot, as a sort of feint I guess. Go to 4:35 in video 1 and watch A instead of T; rock, rock, advance, retreat, rock, rock, and T goes... T's footwork is messing with A's distance, but A is feinting by tossing his weight forward a bit, and that's when he gets hit. I guess if you can catch him with his weight forward he can't retreat at that second. Doesn't look like much of a window, but then I'm not Tagliariol.
K O'N
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Gee...I'm tempted to do some commentaries, too...
If only I could stand to watch the videos in order to do it!  Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
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