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Psi Shadowdark · 10-02-2002, 09:59 PM

hey guys i was hoping some of u could tell me some of the older moves of fencing that go unused/untaught alot of time and maybe tell me a little about the move if u can. id just like to know for fun/knowledge sake
thx much!
josh

I see dead people · 10-02-2002, 11:48 PM

yes.
this move goes away back when man first invented blades:

the man tried to pick fleas off of his crutch with it, and quickly realized that it was a bad idea, and hence this move has remained unused ever since.

Inquartata · 10-02-2002, 11:52 PM

Must be awfully hard to fence on crutches anyway.

Psi Shadowdark · 10-03-2002, 12:06 AM

har har

wheeler · 10-03-2002, 02:51 PM

I can't say that I've ever actually used a Ballestra in a bout, that I can remember. I've had at least two accomplished coaches teach it in their beginning classes, but I don't think it's ever really used.

epeefencer74 · 10-03-2002, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by wheeler
I can't say that I've ever actually used a Ballestra in a bout, that I can remember. I've had at least two accomplished coaches teach it in their beginning classes, but I don't think it's ever really used.

Depends on where you are, it's used quite often and quite effectivly here. I have to say this, a rival club to mine has fencers with fantastic footwork. Their ballestra + lunge is blindingly fast and usually coupled with a fleche at the end of it. Makes their opponents think twice about getting too close.

Unused moves:- Passata Soto. Don't think that has been used for quite a while. Haven't seen it since the days of manual presiding.

swordsen · 10-03-2002, 10:41 PM

Yes, the passato sotto is hardly ever used anymore. although when it is it will usually score if done well because no one expects it. (indeed half the people around will probably think you are breaking the rules by putting your hand on the strip) Myabe good for one or two touches. It opens your back up wide for the flick meisters though.
Ballestras are done quite regularly.

epeefencer74 · 10-03-2002, 11:27 PM

While we are at this can anyone tell me what Inquartata is? And if it is still used?

Psi Shadowdark · 10-03-2002, 11:33 PM

i think its like i step to the side with the lead leg, but i could be totally wtong so plz no critize =)

mfp · 10-03-2002, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by epeefencer74
While we are at this can anyone tell me what Inquartata is?

Take a look at the upper left hand menu of links which shows up on most every page of fencing.net. Between "armory" and "faq" is a link to a "glossary" of fencing terms.

http://www.fencing101.com/glossary.php

angrylemur · 10-04-2002, 12:17 AM

excuse my ignorance, but how exactly does one go about making a lunge with one hand on the ground? (passato sotto)

I use balestras all the time. Great way to change tempo without really breaking forward movement.

DJ Apostrophe · 10-04-2002, 01:01 AM

You are all totally wrong about Inquartata... Inqurtata is a crazy sabre fencer who posts here

(sic)

JEC · 10-04-2002, 01:03 AM

In the movie, "By the Sword" (Eric Roberts), the young woman executes a scoring passata on Eric's pupil. It is a low lunge using the non-dominant hand to not lose equilibrium (as tripod) while bending somewhat the torso but keeping the head/mask up.

Sildar · 10-04-2002, 04:16 AM

I'd have to say engagement is perhaps the single most obvious thing which has disappeared from modern fencing; most folks these days avoid blade contact as if it gave you cooties.

I've never seen or heard of any modern sport coaches teaching the intagliata either, and expulsions are exceedingly rare as well.

Of course the answer to your questions depends largely on how long ago you mean; off hand parries have never really been part of the modern sport, nor have the grappling/wrestling moves, pommel punches, and most lateral and circling footwork.

Jason · 10-04-2002, 07:27 AM

There was a time when foilists used to extend their arms to attack.
Madness.

Zilverzmurfen · 10-04-2002, 07:42 AM

I use Passata Sotto quite often actually, it works great on some opponents. Escpecially if they're a bit taller than me (I'm 174 cm).

Btw. that joke about foilists not extending their arm was a good one... *lol*

// Zz

swordsen · 10-04-2002, 06:37 PM

That was a joke??????

Psi Shadowdark · 10-04-2002, 08:16 PM

hehe what are intagliata and expulsions ?

Inquartata · 10-04-2002, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DJ Apostrophe
You are all totally wrong about Inquartata... Inqurtata is a crazy sabre fencer who posts here (sic)

I resemble that remark!

135711 · 10-05-2002, 12:49 AM

Unused moves:- Passata Soto. Don't think that has been used for quite a while. Haven't seen it since the days of manual presiding. [/b][/quote]

yes, i believe this person is quite right, also, prime isn't really used very much, except in a crunch.