First of all, for any of you who were at the Prise de Fer Boys SYC this past weekend, I'd like to thank you for your attendance on behalf of all of us at Prise de Fer.
Second, I'd like to request any feedback that you may have. What did you like/appreciate? What could have been better?
I thought it was extremely well run. Pools started about 30-45 mins after check-in and the turnaround between pools and DEs was fast.
I didn't hear a lot of complaining about judges.
The following is true for many tournaments: I wish someone could come up w a way to serve healthier foods for kids than pizza and hotdogs. PB&J? Turkey or tuna sandwiches? Soup was a good idea.
My only complaint has nothing to do with the actual tournament but with the proverbial chest protector issue. I caught the Y12MF final and it seemed to me that the winner would NEVER have won had he not been wearing a CP. But I guess that's fodder for another thread.
For what it's worth:
The venue was pretty nice for a reform school.
Ref's were disturbing. They were confident, did not take #$%@ from anybody, and made good calls. What's up with that?
Way too organized. (My son's pool was triple stripped when it ran long.)
Check in was quick, and equipment check did not get backed up either day that we were there. You guys will never get to run a NAC.
Only complaint, neither vendor had LP foil springs. But then again, the armorer did, and parted with two for the price of a beer.
Only regret: did not get to have a beer with the armorer.
thanks, and hope to see you again next year.
For what it's worth:
The venue was pretty nice for a reform school.
Ref's were disturbing. They were confident, did not take #$%@ from anybody, and made good calls. What's up with that?
Way too organized. (My son's pool was triple stripped when it ran long.)
Check in was quick, and equipment check did not get backed up either day that we were there. You guys will never get to run a NAC.
Only complaint, neither vendor had LP foil springs. But then again, the armorer did, and parted with two for the price of a beer.
Only regret: did not get to have a beer with the armorer.
thanks, and hope to see you again next year.
Already sent an email filled with high praise back to Dave & the PdF Team with copy to Courtney Winninger. Really hope you guys are back in 2010. Can't imagine looking forward to any other venue or team as much as the PdF SYC!
Re the food -- Noticed that most parents bring their own healthy snacks including oranges, whole grain crackers and deli meat sandwiches. The main concession foods, e.g., pizza and hot dogs, seem tailored for the majority. More importantly the main "meal foods" (as opposed to the quick snacks) also generally avoid major allergy bugaboos including nuts & eggs. An emphatic "NO" to PB&J!!!!
Re the chest protector issue - Would also appreciate a referral to discussion on this. Assume that the balance between safety and whatever advantage (if any) may result from the use of cps tips to safety, particularly for youth fencers, but have had the same experience watching my son's touches seemingly "bounce" or "graze" off a healthy cp.
My only complaint has nothing to do with the actual tournament but with the proverbial chest protector issue. I caught the Y12MF final and it seemed to me that the winner would NEVER have won had he not been wearing a CP. But I guess that's fodder for another thread.
Just a note on this. While I am sympathetic to the sentiment, my recollection (and correct me if I am mistaken) is that both of the Y12MF finalists were wearing chest protectors.
Just use the search function for a discussion of chest plates.
Here is a VERY quick and semi accurate history.
New timing came around. People realized that wearing a CP will make touches deflect and not turn on a light.
People started wearing them at NACs
People started gathering their entire pool together at a NAC, and deciding as a group if they would wear them in the pool. Everyone owned one, but no body really WANTED to have to wear it.
Then people learned how to flick again.
And CPS became less effective. People then realized how to turn on a light even when ur hitting a CP.
Now there are fencers who wear them, but they aren't that common. And most Div1/Junior/Cadet fencers don't wear them.
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FYI, you could have chosen run it in XSeed and also had the capabilities for full upload.
Or you could recreate the tournament in either XSeed or FT, and then upload the events. Prior to XSeed integration with FRED, many BC people in the Southwest who ran tournaments in XSeed did just that, to provide high value customer service . Just a thought!
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Just a note on this. While I am sympathetic to the sentiment, my recollection (and correct me if I am mistaken) is that both of the Y12MF finalists were wearing chest protectors.
Hi Everyone -
Russel Heller is my son's best fencing buddy, and I can assure you he was definintely not wearing a CP in Y12 final.
I agree w everyone's praise of the tournament. Great job, PdF.
Lefty Belgian, congrats on your son's great results. Willie was saying how good he is!!!!
I am primarily a sabre fencer. I have on occasion played around with epee and foil. In sabre, point attacks hurt. In foil and epee, they hurt more. I'm 24 years old. If I were eligible to compete in a youth tournament, I would probably wear a chest protector, and I think demonizing kids who do it is stupidiculous. A fencing bout should not be about who's tougher. And if you want to blame chest protectors for losing bouts, you'll never improve.
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ChiGirl said: My only complaint has nothing to do with the actual tournament but with the proverbial chest protector issue. I caught the Y12MF final and it seemed to me that the winner would NEVER have won had he not been wearing a CP. But I guess that's fodder for another thread.[/quote]
Lefty Belgian responded: While I am sympathetic to the sentiment, my recollection (and correct me if I am mistaken) is that both of the Y12MF finalists were wearing chest protectors.[/quote]
Joralemon responded: Russell Heller is my son's best fencing buddy, and I can assure you he was definintely not wearing a CP in Y12 final.
I'm confused (again). I thought the original comment by Chi related to the FINAL of the Y12MF. The Russell Heller bout was the SEMIS against George Haglund who does wear a chest protector. When Haglund competed against John Gill in the Y12MF, both fencers were wearing chest protectors. Think this was my point...
Joralemon you are just the sweetest. Congrats to you and yours as well. Will definitely be in touch as we progress with our sons through this crazy fencing world!
YOu were right, Lefty B. I caught the SEMI final bout and that's the one where I thought the kid who lost should have won. I didn't see the final. Sorry for the confusion.
But the poster who said not to use it as an excuse is right... I guess kids just have to learn how to fence kids who wear them.
YOu were right, Lefty B. I caught the SEMI final bout and that's the one where I thought the kid who lost should have won. I didn't see the final. Sorry for the confusion.
But the poster who said not to use it as an excuse is right... I guess kids just have to learn how to fence kids who wear them.
Seems like the current state of the art design for chest protectors serves two purposes: a) protecting the chest and b) deflecting the tip. It might be worth experimenting with a thin soft foam layer to avoid "b".
Seems like the current state of the art design for chest protectors serves two purposes: a) protecting the chest and b) deflecting the tip. It might be worth experimenting with a thin soft foam layer to avoid "b".
I have been advocating this for years. The only way to make it work though would be to mandate its usage. Who would make it unless it were required?
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ChiGirl said: My only complaint has nothing to do with the actual tournamen
I'm confused (again). I thought the original comment by Chi related to the FINAL of the Y12MF. The Russell Heller bout was the SEMIS against George Haglund who does wear a chest protector. When Haglund competed against John Gill in the Y12MF, both fencers were wearing chest protectors. Think this was my point...
That's funny bc I got confused too. I just assumed Chi was referring to the bout w Russel bc the CP was so obviously a factor in that one (and moot in the final). And I was right! Russel is so strong and consistent; I'm not surprised she thought she was watching the finals.
Fantastic job by the organizers!!! Great venue, great lighting, ran really quickly, good directors, what more could you ask for? And my kids had an absolute blast fencing in the team event, they can't stop talking about it. Hope to see you again next year!
FYI, you could have chosen run it in XSeed and also had the capabilities for full upload.
Or you could recreate the tournament in either XSeed or FT, and then upload the events. Prior to XSeed integration with FRED, many BC people in the Southwest who ran tournaments in XSeed did just that, to provide high value customer service . Just a thought!
. Just a thought!
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