09-26-2002, 03:02 AM
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| Aluminum strips - $699 There have been a lot of talk lately about getting affordable fencing strips for clubs and divisions around the country. When we've determined that we would like to lay 16 new 15mX1m strips made out of perforated aluminum in our fencing club, we were facing a $19,000.00 plus bill (@ $1,200.00 each strip) based on the prices quoted to us by vendors.
Our budget would not allow such a sum of money be spent on strips. So we've found a company who was able to produce aluminum fencing strips for us and save us thousands of dollars at the same time.
After people have heard about the deal, I've got about a dozen inquires from different clubs and several divisions about getting the strips for cheap. I've contacted a manufacturer about producing several additional orders and worked out a deal with them where interested parties would be able to take advantage of a low price and our club would be able to benefit from some commissions that will possibly be used for buying new scoring equipment and reels.
So here goes the pricing:
15mx1m aluminum strip (six sections)
Qty 1 - $749
Qty 5 - $725
Qty 10 - $699
If anyone is interested in placing an order or getting more info, please contact me directly by e-mail: Stanislav2@aol.com
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09-26-2002, 03:08 AM
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| Here at Stanford, we got something similar for $50/section. That came it to be $300, as they were also six sections per strip.
Does it have anything special about it? Are they easier to take apart and reassemble?
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09-26-2002, 02:08 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by edew Here at Stanford, we got something similar for $50/section. That came it to be $300, as they were also six sections per strip.
Does it have anything special about it? Are they easier to take apart and reassemble? | Eric,
Where'd you find plate at that price? That seems quite good.
Paolo
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09-26-2002, 02:08 PM
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| Additionally note that the strips are 1m wide, not the regulation 1.5-2m. Clearly still useful, but just something to notice before you order.
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09-26-2002, 02:44 PM
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| That's correct. The ones we have at Stanford are about 1M wide. They do cost $50 because there's lots of metal fab companies in the Bay Area, and doing something like making metal fencing strips is about as easy as anything for them. Of course, our own people had to install them. That took a lot of effort to screw down the sheets.
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09-27-2002, 11:15 AM
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| Edew, I am not sure what qty did you order, but if you got it at such a low price, it means that it wasn't anywhere close to 6 pieces that make up a single strip. Just the setup fee that shops charge for the job is about $235-250 U.S. (around $40 per section) So, normally, you are looking at average cost of about $145-165 ea. plate with delivery. In addition, the shops usually charge extra for degreasing and things like that. At the end, the strip can cost you over a $1000. |
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09-27-2002, 01:00 PM
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| Wow.
"You got a much better price than I did, you must be lying and only bought HALF a strip! Whaaaaaaaaaaa."
If Eric says that he paid $50 a section for equivalently sized sections you MIGHT be able to question quality or lack of some other feature, but you SHOULDN'T assert that he must be blatently mistaken about what he bought. If you've a) seen eric's salle and KNOW that they have something different, or b) can show that his price is below the cost of aluminum THAT might help your argument. It's arogant and insulting to just state that he must be wrong as you have the best possible of all prices. So Eric found a different supplier who was willing to do simple work at a lower profit point (or lower cost, therefoer lower gross expense) then what you had available to you. Deal with it.
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09-27-2002, 01:15 PM
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| why are all of these examples 1m wide? I would be interested in hearing from Eric or Stan on how much the cost would increase if the size were increased to 1.5-2m wide panels.
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09-28-2002, 07:03 PM
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| Don't take my word for 100% completely true. That's the figure I was told. I didn't buy them, I didn't install them, and I don't know what else was involved. I just talked to the person in charge and she told me it was $50/sheet. It may have been $60 or even $80. And maybe there are 8 sheets instead of 6. Whatever the case, I think it was significantly cheaper than a rolled version. Of course, there's no portability in that at all.
The holes drilled into them are within specs, and there have been NCAA tournaments conducted on them (which means if it's good enough for NCAA, it's good enough for USFA).
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09-29-2002, 02:36 AM
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| i didn't know you could use aluminium strips. let me ask a question about the material of strips, i understand alittle bit about the conduction of electricity, but wouldn't just be safer and cheaper to just fence on wooden floors and tape off the lines? people have been fencing that way forever. but to the person who opened the thread: you're thinking of doing 16 strips, why not just lay down 8 strips and see how they work? or even 2 or 3, if you all really like them then go for more, why spend everything on something you're not absolutely positive will be the best thing for the salle? |
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09-29-2002, 12:23 PM
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| These strips are USFA regulation size and yes, you can conduct NCAA competition on the strips that are 1m wide.
The idea behind 1m wide strips was space available - we needed to lay a maximum amount of strips in our new fencing room The criteria was: they must be comfortable for fencing and legal for USFA competition. 1m wide strip met all these criterias.
If someone requires a different size of the plates, it should not be a problem. The manufacturer will be able to customize for each order.
note to oiuyt:
QTY is a standard abbreviation of QUANTITY and not QUALITY as you have mistakenly assumed.
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09-29-2002, 01:20 PM
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| 1m wide strips are *not* legal for usfa competition (or ncaa, since they use usfa rules). the rules explicitly say that the strip should be 1.5 - 2m in width... HOWEVER, the rules also say that for foil and epee the strip must be covered with a conductive surface... which we all know is not always the case... so are they legal...not really... will they be used... of course... legality and usability are two different issues in this case. and also... i'm missing the point where oiuyt assumed qty meant quality... i'd give him more credit than that...
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09-29-2002, 11:34 PM
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| since cost is a concern, i would go with copper strips at the appropriate width, at least 1.5 meters wide. if you shortchange yourself, your students and your competition, eventually, no one will want to fence there. go with quality, and the quantity will eventually appear..the notion that one does not want quantity is merely for appearance yet;
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09-30-2002, 11:27 AM
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| DJ A. is right. I did NOT interpret QTY to mean quality, I was saying that quality COULD have been something that you COULD have questioned (but did not). Of course QTY is quantity, not only is it a common abbreviation, quality doesn't fit into the context in your original sentence.
1m wide strips are NOT legal for comeptition. Useful, yes, technically legal, no. Specifically they are NOT "USFA regulation size."
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09-30-2002, 02:57 PM
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| Experience shows that 1m wide strip is sufficient for NCAA events.
However, as I mentioned above, if 1.5-2.0m strips are needed, it will not be a problem. The cost of the regulation size strip should be lower then comparable copper unit plus all the benefits of maintanance-free use.
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09-30-2002, 03:06 PM
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| All of the intercollegiate meets I have fenced in have used standard copper strips, which are certainly at least 1.5 m in width.
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09-30-2002, 07:21 PM
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| one more month to go. i'm up to 6 miles of running nearly each day, i have to wear a baseball cap to keep the sun off. i really improved my stride. when i get back on the piste, i should be indefatigable, er, for a while. |
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09-30-2002, 08:00 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by 135711 one more month to go. i'm up to 6 miles of running nearly each day, i have to wear a baseball cap to keep the sun off. i really improved my stride. when i get back on the piste, i should be indefatigable, er, for a while. | wrong thread, methinks.
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| I wish we could talk about the two topics together... |
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