To rant and rave

[counter riposte]

I rant not only to rant, but to rant about all that is rantable. And all that is rantable, I rant only to rave about rants that deserve a rave rant. But if the rant is not ravable, nor rantable, I cannot rant, therefore, I rant anyway. Because it is in me to rant about the unrantable raves that rant within me. Therefore you must rant with me about the rave rants and unrantable raves that rave within us, and can only rant about here, in a forum of ranters and ravers that love to rant and rave about the most ravable sport, which we spend raving about our directors rants, and raving over our fellow fencers rants.

We must rant, we must rave. For without our rants and raves, we have nothing to rant and rave about. Leaving us dead to the world, raveless.

So.... I wanna hear your rants.

[Iwant2bafencer]

Rofl! That's a tongue twister if I've ever heard one!
hmm let's see my rant or rave of the day would have to be . . . Some people are just plain airheads, stupid and they don't know it, or jsut act stupid to piss the other people in this world off! yea that'll work.


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Carpe Diem
Ad Asha

[Swordsman]

See: "War on Iraq?"

[lochinvar]

My current rant is about The Superfluous What.

I'm referring to that ubiquitous and unnecessary "what" which people insert into their sentences, such as: "It's better than WHAT it was."

Why put the "what" in there? It's completely gratuitous--leave it out! "It's better than it was," is perfectly understandable.

Down With The Superfluous What!!

[DJ Apostrophe]

what do you mean what?
is that what you meant?
can i get a what?
what what?

[Haze]

ooh can anybody have a go?

If so I'd like to rant about council tax, specifically having to pay all of it if I take a year out of my degree but still live with students.

Oh and while I'm here I'd like to rant about bosses or former bosses that mention the opportunity of more work to you then later tell you that actually you are not good enough for them to employ for the job anyway, and sugary things that sit on the shelf and call out to me knowing full well that they will make me stressed and ill, and professors who don't reply to emails, and companies that don't even bother to write letters back, even if the letter would start "unfortunately...", and people who put off telling you important things until its too late, and getting on the only bus within 2 hours to realise that you only have a tenner and the driver won't accept it, and... and...

(do excuse me, I had a rubbish day and then a big bar of chocolate, which only made things worse... )


I feel better for that, everyone needs a good moan occasionally

[135711]

Originally posted by counter riposte
I rant not only to rant, but to rant about all that is rantable. And all that is rantable, I rant only to rave about rants that deserve a rave rant. But if the rant is not ravable, nor rantable, I cannot rant, therefore, I rant anyway. Because it is in me to rant about the unrantable raves that rant within me. Therefore you must rant with me about the rave rants and unrantable raves that rave within us, and can only rant about here, in a forum of ranters and ravers that love to rant and rave about the most ravable sport, which we spend raving about our directors rants, and raving over our fellow fencers rants.

We must rant, we must rave. For without our rants and raves, we have nothing to rant and rave about. Leaving us dead to the world, raveless.

So.... I wanna hear your rants.

I rant because I want to rant, because I feel there is much to rant a-bout, and my ranting, will raise, a well rounded rave, when I rant, I rant till I rave.

[counter riposte]

Oh yes,

Anyone can have a go and rant away about what is completely rantable. Including of course certain mothers in need of psychological help, movers that apparently have to move a piano from wall to wall, and interviewers who apparently don't think much of Tokyo.

So please, Rant on....

[135711]

Originally posted by lochinvar
My current rant is about The Superfluous What.

I'm referring to that ubiquitous and unnecessary "what" which people insert into their sentences, such as: "It's better than WHAT it was."

Why put the "what" in there? It's completely gratuitous--leave it out! "It's better than it was," is perfectly understandable.

Down With The Superfluous What!!

your what may be superfluous, but HIS what may be substantial, therefore, I take exception to the use of the word: then

[Catlady]

What really drives me nuts is going to the weddings of people who are clearly not old enough to be married. It's possibly just a Utah thing that everyone gets married so young. Anyway, I think you should have to be at least 24 or 25 before you get married. Sure you think you're smart when you're 19 or 20, I did too, but you're wrong.

It was nice to go to the reception of a friend last week who is in her late 20s, has a steady job, in law, and whose husband has a steady job as well, electrical engineer. I guess it's not the steady job thing as much as some of these people are so not prepared for the real world and it's nice to see someone who is. As well, it's nice to see one of the "smart girls" do well.

[Zelda]

I have LOTS of Rants...
I dont understand why things take so long to get anywhere....I dont know why people insist on telling you the AFL score even if you dont want to know, I HATE the fact I always get stuck next two one of 2 types of ppl on planes, fat chatty ones or a couple in love! I hate the fact most of my friends are in the UK. I hate the fact I am in house limbo.....I hate the fact I only have dialup.
I hate the fact my MSc has made me under prepared by about 2 months for nationals.
Right feeling better now.

[Moonitic]

Gosh...I have a rant about a posting in this very same thread!

Sorry, Catlady...in SOME cases you may be right about people marrying "too young." However, in MY case...you couldn't be further from the truth. I married at 22. My husband was one month shy of turning 21. Instead of a honeymoon, we bought our first house. We both had full time jobs, two newer cars & great hobbies (including fencing). 7 years later, we have two beautiful children, a different house of our own, & one vehicle (hubby didn't need a car for work, he is provided with one...he's a signal maintainer for the railroad). I work for Pampered Chef, & I'm a published author. We're doing just fine without any struggling.

On the other side of the coin, my rather dim witted friend (my age) married a man 20 years older than she. At 40 years old, this man had the maturity of an infant, no offense to infants...even my 5 month old is more mature! He treated her horribly. He should never have married, because he simply needed to get his own life straight before he could ever share a life with a woman, regardless of her age. They ended up getting divorced. Fast forward a couple of years. She found another older man & married him. This "man" ended up a drug user & drunk. Horrible. She just got divorced from him, too. She was dating another older man (see a pattern?), but she finally got some SENSE. This man couldn't get over his ex-girlfriend.

Granted, the girl is my age, but all of these men were at least 15 years older than us. NONE of them have (or had) the maturity that my husband does. I don't think it's necessarily the age. If a couple is committed to the idea of what marriage truly is (a covenant, a promise, a committment), then they'll do well.

And that was my soapbox rant of the day. My friend just makes me so frustrated & angry, specifically because she's projected her problems onto the color guard that I now coach because SHE kept ditching them!

[135711]

what knave-ity, marriage is humbug for about 7 billion people, the rest of us should fence, study, take care of the world and think big thoughts.

[Catlady]

I totally agree with you actually Moon. There are some people out there who are just not old enough to be married regardless of age. I fear I may be one of them sometimes.
I should have mentioned I know some people who got married right out of high school, from around my age up to people my parents' age, and are perfectly happy and successful, unfortunately it seems like most of the people who do this end up regretting the decision. I'm looking back and I'm a totally different person now, at roughly 27 than I was then, and like I said I though I was very smart and very mature, but I was very wrong. And really 21 or 22 isn't that bad, I guess I'm looking more at the 19 or 20 year-olds. Then again it's mostly mental maturity that I guess I'm talking about. You and your husband were obviously very mature. I'm thinking of people in similar situations who rather than trying to be smart and doing something like you did--sacrificing the honeymoon so you could have a house-- seem to do the exact opposite and spend way too much money on the frivoulous stuff. I respect this girl, but she was talking about her ring and saying "I know we're going to be broke for a long time, so I told him to get me a really big ring"!! My attitude would be the opposite--I guess partially because I'm not a big jewelry person anyway-- forget the huge ring, save the money and be a little less broke.

For some reason too, I seem to attract the 40 year olds who never seem to have grown up. It makes me crazy. I'm not saying all marriages with wide age ranges don't work even when with both partners are mature enough--with the right person it could--but too often you're just on different wavelengths to begin with and can't agree on goals.

The problem is, I feel like I'm well on my way to dried up old spinsterhood--yes I know 27 isn't that old, but people around here tend to marry young and the peer pressure gets to me-- so I'm being bitter. That and the week of my 27th birthday was when the article was published in Time magazine about it perhaps not being such a good idea to delay having kids. It mentioned in the article, that at age 27 a woman's fertility begins to decline. Happy birthday, Danielle!

This next comment will start a war I'm sure, but sometimes I think it's easier for the men. In a good marriage I guess both people's lives change, but it seems like lots of times the woman ends up having to do a lot more changing than the man. Due to various recent circumstances, I'm thinking about this a lot. I don't want to give up fencing when/if I get married and have kids, but it might work out that way. There are plenty of men who drop out of fencing regularly when it happens to them, but women always seem to end up with more of the responsibility in these situations. Obviously, when the choice comes down to my kids need me vs. I want to fence, the kids have to win--to a lesser extent so does the husband, or significant other of any type although there you're dealing with someone who is old enough to care for themself, or should be-- but I'd hate to have it happen. The same thing with my writing--I am insanely jealous of your status as a published writer, BTW, on one hand I want to believe that Woolf wasn't right about what she said in A Room of One's Own, but lots of times I'm afraid she was. Yes, I'm talking a lot about me here, which is why I say I may not be old enough mentally to be married right now,

One more cynical comment about love/marriage and all that good stuff and then I'll be done. I promise . It seems like regardless to love someone who end up giving up yourself and you freedom, I guess it's a matter of finding someone to give it up for. Sorry, like I said, due to various circumstances in the lives of friends and my own life, I've been thinking about this a lot lately and I guess I found out I had way more to say than I thought I did when I started this post. If anyone's still with me after this, thanks for listening to me ramble and vent.

[Moonitic]

In a good marriage, you ARE free. Look at my "friend" & her marriages. She was never free & can't live without having a man (regardless of how much of an IDIOT he is) in her life. I'm a lot more independent now...in a bizarre way. Maybe it's because I have support, not a controlling husband.

And yes, it does seem the woman changes more. After all, before 2 kids (even when I had just one) I went fencing every week, sometimes three days a week. Another friend & I (ack...don't get me started on THIS one) were talking about this same thing the other day. Her husband is away for the week, fishing. She asked me, "When do *I* get a vacation? Even when I go away with my boss (she's a nanny), I still have to work & come back to getting griped at for not being there to do my work at home."

I told her, quite sadly, "You don't get a vacation."

If you feel you aren't ready, then you aren't. Don't worry about what the "studies" say. They can't even agree if eggs are good or bad for us!

[Swordsman]

And now this comment from your resident seventeen-year-old male...


First of all, a disclaimer: Nothing I say is from a position of even the slightest bit of experience. They're simply opinions and if they differ with any of yours, yours are probably more accurate.

Point 1: Readiness for marriage is based on emotional/psychological maturity. Some people should NEVER get married - they'll just end up hurting someone. My sister, on the other hand, is fifteen and would make a great wife (Of course, then you have the impossibility of her finding somebody worthy that early). But my point is, she's already a lot more mature than some thirty-five year olds I know. I don't know if I'd be ready or not. What I do know, however, is that I haven't been in a relationship nearly long enough to know if it's good enough for marriage or not.

Point 2: Somewhat refers back to Point 1. Regardless of how mature you are, make sure you've found the right person. Divorce ain't supposed to happen. If you're with the wong person, either it will happen, or you'll both be miserable. So don't get married after three weeks of knowing him/her!!

Point 3: I'm inclined to agree with marriage changing the woman more. I never really thought about it, but what you've been saying seems pretty accurate so far, and I can't think of many counter-examples. Regardless of what's "politically correct", the man is statistically more often the "breadwinner". Not that the role of wife/mother is any less important - in fact, I think more so - but it just doesn't bring in money.

Point 4: Age is usually a good indicator of maturity, if only because of the normal trend: The older one gets, the more mature one gets. Again, that is just the usual trend in human development. There are, of course, exceptions to any rule.

[135711]

you're correct swordsman, in retrospect i answered from the perspective of a person who has simply given up on the idea entirely, and also, i felt this way because first i felt like our world population is out of control and should be stemmed as it were, and then i went through the phase where i believed that everone should get married, particularly before having children, and then, since i became totally cynical, i felt that the human race was so terrible it chould neither marry nor procreate, until such time as it wises up.

[Swordsman]

You really think lack of marriages will slow procreation? Darwin was wrong. Stupid people not only survive, but they breed in much larger numbers than the rest of us (fencers).

[135711]

not really, but it is the preferred order of things.

a new rant: we just passed a law here that says that we can't have reference to God in ceremonies. I can't believe how politically incorrect and stupid this 'new' action is. It's an open invitation to conflict.

[Fencing Angel]

heh heh.. well that'll never fly. just like the whole, "no prayer in schools."

Well someone once told me, "as long as there are tests, there will be prayer in shcools."