Why America supports the Jews/Israel

[fatfencer]

FF, please stop throwing around anti-gay slur words like this. I know you have a different take on slur words but it's unpleasant to see ugly words like that flung around casually like they're nothing, and in a place like fnet too. It's not even the same as when people try to "reclaim" words like the f-word and n-word by putting a pseudo-positive spin on them, b/c you're not doing that, either. Hopefully you don't mean any harm by it, but even so I'd appreciate it if you'd lay off.

'intellectual faggotry' has a very specific meaning. I'm sorry you are offended. It's a term used to mean when something is artificially, non naturally created by sheer volition. Something isnt true, but if you try hard enough, say it often enough it becomes true because it has so much impetus behind it.

The most popular variant on this is a new academic discipline that has yet to reach a critical mass of literature from which to quote and use as evidence in an assertion. Womens Studies in the early 90's was guilty of this. Many English department heads, sub rosa of course, absolutely loathed what was brought to the table by that movement. Even women chairs felt as if they were invading sacred ground, bringing false, forced doctrine with an agenda to gain more respect for women where English was really just concered about ... well English. They felt that gender issues were an artificial graft.

Many, perhaps still the majority of people believe that GLBT and GLBT studies are well, not normal. non natural. Thru their seemingly tireless efforts they have become, if not mainstream, more omnipresent. They have forced non gays to accept their presence as a force in politics and community affairs. They are also largely responsible for the political correctness movveent in the US.

So intellectual faggotry describes two things:

1) the forcing of, the impetus created by a protracted siege on what was standard, normal in a community

2) the corruption of an already existing discipline by an artificial graft of a proto discipline in order to gain more credence.

3) if theres a third meaning its related, a back handed homage to the group largely responsible for the above two. GLBT

So you see the term has a meaning, it was a slur thrown around often at my University to desctibe what was happening to various disciplines. Jut as many of us straight folk think its unnatural for GLBT'ers to do what they do, it was unnatural for them to come in and destroy and remake an existing discipline in their own image. For example, many in our English dept didnt want their influence bt they came anyways armed with "Im going to sue" if you don't respect me....

SO my usage of the term isn't so much a slur against gays per se. I use the term because many here will merely assert, constantly assert stuff without the slightest bit of credible evidence. But they do so because they have a popular, if erroneous viewpoint. But they keep asserting it so much so that it becomes accepted because people don't want the conflict.

Hauptman, is a prime example of, you guessed it, intellectual faggotry.

fencer chica, I rarely take the time to explain myself. I feel its the readers responsibility to either clarify or know the meaning of a term via context or life experience. Take the fact that Im willing to explain as a sign that I wasn't trying to offend you with it. Intellectual faggotry is a phrase. Perhaps you are getting caught up with the word faggot. But it, at least in the midwest libarts colleges, has some oblique currency.

Finally, when I use a term I usually, almost always, use a very specific term meaning a very specific thing.

I maintain that many an f-netter is guilty of the above: Superscrbe, Hauptman, ILSaber, jeff(sometimes.. on the Jewish topics), and others.

If you can't accept something to be true BECAUSE, your special interest group would LIKE it NOT to be the case, you are guilty of IF.

Antigun folk who pervert evidence before submitting it or use popular PC assertions to subvert the Constitution.... IF totally.

Jews who cannot accept, despite evidence, that their lobbying is detrimental to the US at this time because they use our secular tax dollars to promote the well being of a religiously founded state..... IF. If our economy wasnt in the ****ter,btw, I would probably be more TOLERANT, though even still I will never be fully accepting. When Colin Powell says repeatedly that this nations military is controlled by Jewish Lobby interests... see wikipedia.

When the chair of the African Studies dept at my uni, during Black History Month tells me that they should be allowed to post flyers that state Beethoven, Jesus Christ, Mozart, George Washington(not Carver) are BLACK just because it makes them feel better and they are entitled to that feeling... IF.

Hope that clears it up. Again, truly sorry you were offended. Not my intention. Fair warning though. I'm not the slightest bit PC. Yet, that I am willing to have discourse with anyone regardless of their race color creed etc. should tell you how I feel about racial, gender, or sexual bias.

Fatfencer

PS: One thing I have to say that I resent is cracker honky over privileged Jew-boys telling me I'm an anti-Semite, which IS a slur Fencerchica. Zionism is racism first of all. Second, white people have caused so much misery on the North American continent that they frankly don't ever get to say ****. Just ask the American Indians, the Blacks, the Asians, etc. that white folk have pissed on since the inception of America. White people calling others racist when I have experienced the full Ragnarok of Aryan fury... ****ing-a. Total bull****. Total intellectual faggotry. I for one am not only NOT going to accept it, but I WILL give as good as I get. I don't lose fights. Ever.

[fencerchica]

'intellectual faggotry' has a very specific meaning. I'm sorry you are offended. It's a term used to mean when something is artificially, non naturally created by sheer volition. Something isnt true, but if you try hard enough, say it often enough it becomes true because it has so much impetus behind it.

Hmm... well, thank you for providing an explanation. I'm completely unfamiliar with this formal definition you've put forward for "intellectual faggotry" as a phrase with a specific technical meaning, so this is rather perplexing especially since you also use the word "gay" negatively (it bothers me when people do this but not to the magnitude that "faggot" does). Anyway, I suppose for all I know "IF" as a technical phrase could be legit since I have no familiarity with the politics of liberal arts schools' English departments -- I'm just an engineer who kant rite gud. But regardless it seems like even if this has evolved into a de facto technical phrase what's happening is that one slur is being borrowed in order to create another slur, and this seems as uncouth as calling someone an "intellectual n****r" -- regardless of one's opinions regarding the legitimacy of various academic disciplines.

Well, I'm not trying to threadjack, I just needed to interject for a sec regarding that, because I feel like I can't complain about slurs if I don't speak up about slurs, if that makes sense. Anyway, carry on.

[fatfencer]

Hmm... well, thank you for providing an explanation. I'm completely unfamiliar with this formal definition you've put forward for "intellectual faggotry" as a phrase with a specific technical meaning, so this is rather perplexing especially since you also use the word "gay" negatively (it bothers me when people do this but not to the magnitude that "faggot" does). Anyway, I suppose for all I know "IF" as a technical phrase could be legit since I have no familiarity with the politics of liberal arts schools' English departments -- I'm just an engineer who kant rite gud. But regardless it seems like even if this has evolved into a de facto technical phrase what's happening is that one slur is being borrowed in order to create another slur, and this seems as uncouth as calling someone an "intellectual n****r" -- regardless of one's opinions regarding the legitimacy of various academic disciplines.

Well, I'm not trying to threadjack, I just needed to interject for a sec regarding that, because I feel like I can't complain about slurs if I don't speak up about slurs, if that makes sense. Anyway, carry on.

Well at least you understand the concept. Indeed, one slur was borrowed to create another. Those of us who used the term were tired, quite frankly of getting boned in the ass, administratively/scholastically speaking by Johnny Come Latelies with no scholarship of their own.

So they wrote really vitriolic anti establishment papers and began quoting each other until they reached critical mass.

They invented terms that smacked of what the Jews use to describe themselves as the uber-picked on race... so we did likewise.

I think Intellectual faggotry sounds more oh, I dont know, more exciting than words like 'exaggerated event". Packs more punch.

Theirs is a far more subtle term. Linguistically speaking its kind of a test. If you bandy that about you are part of their little clique, separate from the unwashed aryan nations.

I think intellectual faggotry is a more gutteral, balls to bones, honest term.

And so I use it.

FF

PS: If you, despite quoted evidence from Colin Powell, believe and spew that Jinsa/Aipac don't exist and don't corrupt this nation's military and political agenda for their own material gain.. you are summarily guilty of IF.

[Inquartata]

I think Intellectual faggotry sounds more oh, I dont know, more exciting than words like 'exaggerated event". Packs more punch.

Theirs is a far more subtle term. Linguistically speaking its kind of a test. If you bandy that about you are part of their little clique, separate from the unwashed aryan nations.

I think intellectual faggotry is a more gutteral, balls to bones, honest term.

And so I use it.

Cough.

http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/pl.htm

[fatfencer]

Cough.

http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/pl.htm

Its actually not what you say it is.

Intellectual faggotry is a real term. Even if it were argumentatively fallacious, its still most certainly applicable.

Besides, IF is a proper noun. Nouns aren't arguments and therefore it isnt fallacious.

Besides, you're just mad because its a great term and you havent the balls to use it.

YOu lose... again

FF

[Inquartata]

Pshhhh! IF is a conjuction, you dunce!

I knew you fenced and did martial arts, but I didn't realize you could tap dance so furiously!

[Wingate85]

Congratulations! You win.

[fatfencer]

Pshhhh! IF is a conjuction, you dunce!

I knew you fenced and did martial arts, but I didn't realize you could tap dance so furiously!

Its not a conjunction... its an ABBREVIATION.(Grabs Dictionary and thwacks Inq)

I tried to do Riverdance at a party. I was amazingly drunk. Fell on my ass. I have now a small appreciation for the talents of that sprite-legged mofo, Michael Flatley.

FF

[Inspector Gadget]

In Israel: commandments have you!

Many countries in the world, owe civilized structure to the ten commandments. Then, centuries later...watching the many programs about the history of Easter and the events that preceeded it; I remembered that the last supper was actually a passover.... then I recalled that during my religious classes, it was mentioned that because Jesus was Hebrew he did keep Passover. After his death, it was left out and a different commemmoration was put into place - the mass which consisted of a 'reinactment' of the last supper with scriptural readings. I think that eventually over time, the distinctions between all of the religions including the ancient roman and greek gods were becoming more evident. But the Ten Commandments were important in helping countries create a structure of law to follow.

I am never clear as to who was emperor of Rome during the life of Jesus. Was it Claudius Tiberius? who was followed by Nero?

I want to add something here; the person who started this thread has some issue with Israel. To me Israel is another country, it has politics and religion. We don't always have to agree with their politics any more than we would have to agree with Iran or whatever; the point being, we need to cultivate the ability to take each situation on a case by case basis. If there is a current issue with a nation, then we need to be able to work through that particular issue. It's like a tangle of thread; you have to find one end of the thread to detangle the whole thing. It's possible for every country to get along with each other, if we can detangle each problem one by one.

[garyfenning]

America is the county who supports Israel at any condition.But now the relations between America and Israel are not like they were before . Arab countries are a lot to do in this matter as Israel is never been a good friend of Arabs and America support them that everybody knows. There are many more reason responsible for such conditions between Israel and America.

[Bayou Bum]

It's possible for every country to get along with each other, if we can detangle each problem one by one.

The first problem is that we are not all Muslim. What is your solution to that?

[TrainingDummy]

The first problem is that we are not all Muslim. What is your solution to that?

What is that supposed to mean?

[TBean]

Maybe you missed it earlier in the thread but the jews here in the US do very little for their fellow US citizens.

It has been pointed out to you that you are wrong about the current philanthropic tendencies of Jews in this country. You are tiresome in your unwillingness to learn or concede points when it has been pointed to you otherwise with numbers. If you don't believe what I told you previously go the web-site of any of those foundations or guidestar and look at their damn taxes. You also do it other way by looking at the taxes of the recipients of the gifts - that is how I did it.

[Inquartata]

You are arguing with someone who has been banned from f.net and are thus unlikely to get any satisfaction from him.

[jessicasimpson]

You are arguing with someone who has been banned from f.net and are thus unlikely to get any satisfaction from him.

Has anyone ever gotten satisfaction from him when he was here?