Fencing Absolutes

[foibles]

Gender discrimination?

"...inability to get enough testosterone pumping...
...Limp-wristed prancing.
...society of lawless degenerates with an inclination for sexual depravity.
...I'm disgusted."

Maybe I'm wrong about these being gender based attacks. Maybe I'm not.

Oh. Wait. You're probably making a point about the incorrect use of the word "gender". Fair enough.

[keith]

Maybe I'm wrong about these being gender based attacks. Maybe I'm not.

Some jokes are better than others.

[foibles]

[QUOTE=keith;776446]Some jokes are better than others.

I know the LHOOQ joke.

I also know the one about Biagio da Cesena.


If scribe was merely joking, I apologize.

[keith]

I know the LHOOQ joke.

I also know the one about Biagio da Cesena.

Well I wasn't intending to accuse you of prudery

If scribe was merely joking, I apologize.

Even if he was joking you are free to take offense. If you did report the post. Although given the mods standards I doubt they will take issue with scribe.

[Inquartata]

Painful is not a safety issue.

You really should try looking up the definition of "safety" sometime...

[Superscribe]

Uh well you know that epeelion is a dude right? So is telk. I'm a little confused myself as to why you thought it was a gender based attack. Whatever, the point was I got bored and decided that I'd pick an ole fashion street fight with some other weapons. One where I could throw a trident and kill someone. One that would give somebody the chance to say "como esta *****es!"

[telkanuru]

You really should try looking up the definition of "safety" sometime...

Maybe you should think instead of reflexively disagreeing sometime.


Bruises inflicted on my torso from fencing can be painful. It's very possible they'd be more painful without my jacket. However, reducing the pain of my bruises is not why I wear my jacket.

Safety is about preventing major injury, not scratches. Socks do not aid in this endeavor.

[Rockstar44]

Maybe you should think instead of reflexively disagreeing sometime.

Physician, heal thyself.

[Bryn Ralph]

There are no "fencing absolutes"; therefore, in matters of interpretation and correct methodolgies one must consult the FIE (Federation International d'Escrime) in order to understand that fencing is a complex sport.

Those who coach understand the complexities of the sport.

Be that as it may, those who love the sport have an obligation to instruct their students with a combined sense of duty and integrity despite the caprices of NGO's and the elusiveness of the FIE.

[foibles]

Uh well you know that epeelion is a dude right? So is telk. I'm a little confused myself as to why you thought it was a gender based attack. Whatever, the point was I got bored and decided that I'd pick an ole fashion street fight with some other weapons. One where I could throw a trident and kill someone. One that would give somebody the chance to say "como esta *****es!"

I Guess I misread it.

Read to me you implied he was gay, then called it sexual depravity, then spoke of disgust.

Seemed like a harsh personal attack with an unkind bias to me.

If others don't care, I guess I don't either. Just seemed mean, pointless and out of line. I don't like that kind of thing on this forum. I like to think we're better then that.

w/e.

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Socks are not required for safety so much as tradition. Telk is right. If they were for safety either knickers would be outlawed in favor of longer pants or socks would be cen1 and/or fie.

Probably the same for gloves too.

[telkanuru]

There are no "fencing absolutes";

Except that one?

[Dev]

you 1 opponent 1 - time runs out - runs out again and you get priority, you win 2 - 1, right? More touches.

Negative. You win V1-1.

But I have never studied the rules on that very closely, so, in practice.... well, I probably should not even post this.

Probably not.

[catwood1]

I Guess I misread it.

Read to me you implied he was gay, then called it sexual depravity, then spoke of disgust.

Seemed like a harsh personal attack with an unkind bias to me.

If others don't care, I guess I don't either. Just seemed mean, pointless and out of line. I don't like that kind of thing on this forum. I like to think we're better then that.

I believe it was actually a sarcastic remark about epee fencing in general, not calling anyone gay, or a woman.

[Inquartata]

Safety is about preventing major injury, not scratches. Socks do not aid in this endeavor.

Maybe you should change your name to Humpty Dumpty:


Main Entry: 1safe·ty

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural safeties

Etymology: Middle English saufte, from Anglo-French salveté, saufté, from salf safe

Date: 14th century

1: the condition of being safe from undergoing or causing hurt, injury, or loss2: a device (as on a weapon or a machine) designed to prevent inadvertent or hazardous operation3 a (1): a situation in football in which a member of the offensive team is tackled behind its own goal line that counts two points for the defensive team — compare touchback (2): a member of a defensive backfield in football who occupies the deepest position in order to receive a kick, defend against a forward pass, or stop a ballcarrier b: a billiard shot made with no attempt to score or so as to leave the balls in an unfavorable position for the opponent c: base hit

So you see, safety refers to protection from ANY injury, not just ones you ( or anyone ) has decreed to be "serious"...

And that would seem to include teensy weensy scratches from blades across shins. You know, in the same way those nearly-as-flimsy gloves do your hand and wrist...

[telkanuru]

The purpose of the glove is to stop the blade from going up your jacket. If it had any other purpose, there would be standards with respect to puncture rating, padding, and the like.

Again, the purpose of safety equipment in fencing is not to prevent minor injury but major ones. An example is cited above. I assume you missed it because your eyesight is failing due to old age rather than your regular tendancy to ignore any argument you can't counter.

[Inquartata]

The counter is---the English language.

Perhaps it's not your native tongue or something? One could make allowances for that.

"Safety" just does not mean what you insist it means. Not to anyone but you...

Now, you can continue on the presumption that you have somehow proven something. First Amendment, and all that. But I think that deep down even you know otherwise...

Anyway---what, if not safety, do you think is the purpose of requiring socks in the rules? Fashion?

Really, man. Get a clue!

[telkanuru]

Ah, pedantry.

If I were to substitute "The purpose of safety equipment in modern Olympic fencing" instead of 'safety', would you try to stick to the point?

I would argue that socks are insisted upon for the purposes of aesthetics and tradition.

[Jason]

It's all because of the sock lobbyists.
The FIE has been in the pocket of Big Sock for years.

[Inquartata]

Very droll.

Meanwhile, I'm...too sexy for my socks...too sexy for my socks, but they keep off the pooooocks...

[Gibbo]

Judging by the postings on the "New to Fencing" thread about Weapons/Personalities I may be overstating the obvious in saying that possibly the only fencing absolute is that asking fencers which weapon is best will result in an often amusing and slightly precious exchange between proponents of each weapon.