varsity fencing in grad school

[slowgraffiti515]

I am currently looking at graduate schools and was wondering if it is possible to fence varsity as a graduate student. Is this something determined by the individual school or is there a system that applies to all schools? I currently fence with a club at my school.

[fdad]

I am currently looking at graduate schools and was wondering if it is possible to fence varsity as a graduate student. Is this something determined by the individual school or is there a system that applies to all schools? I currently fence with a club at my school.

You'll have to get someone from a college compliance office to figure this out authoritatively, but my reading of this:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?Content...nt_eligibility

makes it seem like you are not eligible.

[seak]

The short answer is no, the longer answer is if you are coming right out of undergrad, only took you 4 years to finish your undergrad, and didn't compete in collegiate meets all 4 years as a club fencer, you might have a year at a div1 program and 2 at a div3 program.

As a graduate student at a varsity school, who fenced on a club team in college, for various reasons stated above I am not, nor will I ever be eligible.

[gladius]

... if you are coming right out of undergrad, only took you 4 years to finish your undergrad, and didn't compete in collegiate meets all 4 years as a club fencer, you might have a year at a div1 program and 2 at a div3 program.

As a graduate student at a varsity school, who fenced on a club team in college, for various reasons stated above I am not, nor will I ever be eligible.

Question:

What if you are coming out of undergrad, took 4 years to finish undergrad, and DID compete in college meets all 4 years as a varsity Div I fencer, could you be eligible to continue fencing at varsity level Div I as a grad student?

In more general terms, provided the student-athlete can fit both schedules as a grad student and as an athlete, can he compete under NCAA rules as a grad student with all the pros and cons this entails?

[prototoast]

Question:

What if you are coming out of undergrad, took 4 years to finish undergrad, and DID compete in college meets all 4 years as a varsity Div I fencer, could you be eligible to continue fencing at varsity level Div I as a grad student?

In more general terms, provided the student-athlete can fit both schedules as a grad student and as an athlete, can he compete under NCAA rules as a grad student with all the pros and cons this entails?

You can't compete at the NCAA level for more than 4 years without a special exemption (usually only given for season-ending injuries that occur at the beginning of the season).

[fencerX]

The short answer is no, the longer answer is if you are coming right out of undergrad, only took you 4 years to finish your undergrad, and didn't compete in collegiate meets all 4 years as a club fencer, you might have a year at a div1 program and 2 at a div3 program.

Summary: the answer is no except in cases where the answer is yes.

[lewis]

Summary: the answer is no except in cases where the answer is yes.

I competed as a grad student for 2 years for a divI school - not fencing. And qualified for nationals. But, my undergrad had no varsity sports..... so there was no issue of eligibility. Also, I was young, skipped a grade in grade school and then graduated in 3 years. But this was in the very dark ages before I even knew there was oversight by ncaa and I just blithely went to the meets cuz someone was buying my transportation and hotels and wax. You need to check the ncaa website. My reading is that you could do it as you get 4 years of eligibility but then there are age restrictions (which have exceptions for military service which is how some students can be 26 year old freshman). Contact the ncaa compliance person at the grad school and ask.

[seak]

Summary: the answer is no except in cases where the answer is yes.

I think people are misreading, I didn't mean unless you met any of these exceptions, I meant you had to meet allll of them. Essentially once you start undergrad you get 5 years (for div1) to compete for four years. Div3 is slightly looser, in that its within n number of semesters of when you start. It has nothing to do with age, its all about when you first matriculate.

If you finished your undergrad in 3yrs then you would get 2, assuming you also had not fenced AND you didn't take anytime off after undergrad.

[HDG]

someone was buying my transportation and hotels and wax.

What sport was this?

[bigdawg2121]

I am currently looking at graduate schools and was wondering if it is possible to fence varsity as a graduate student. Is this something determined by the individual school or is there a system that applies to all schools? I currently fence with a club at my school.

Yes it's possible to fence varsity as a graduate student. Whether or not you're eligible is dependent on how much time you have left on your eligibility "clock
". If you're within your first 5 yrs of college enrollment you're probably fine.

[oiuyt]

It has nothing to do with age

Except in D1, where participating in organized sport after the age of 21 also impacts eligibility (with exclusions for active-duty military, religious missions, etc.).

What sport was this?

I'm guessing swimming or skiing.

-B

[bunbury]

I think that this will pretty much explain it very clearly for you.

[seak]

At some point though someone is seriously going to have to explain to me how all these inspirational old people who play football are receiving NCAA eligibility and playing again. I think there was a story last year about a guy who came back and played his last year some 20yrs later or something.

Is there some sort of inspirational story that will get told on national tv cause you're in a major sport exception?

[Displacement]

I fenced for a Div1 program, and we had grad students come by and fence with us during practice (they didn't drill, condition, take or give lessons). They were good competition and had previous experience. They were not on par with the varsity team.

Is this legal?

[oiuyt]

At some point though someone is seriously going to have to explain to me how all these inspirational old people who play football are receiving NCAA eligibility and playing again. I think there was a story last year about a guy who came back and played his last year some 20yrs later or something.

Is there some sort of inspirational story that will get told on national tv cause you're in a major sport exception?

D3. Makes a difference.

Is this legal?

Depends on exact details, but probably not.

-B

[prototoast]

Depends on exact details, but probably not.

-B

Why wouldn't it be? In women's basketball, it's quite common for a school to use a team of male students as practice opponents. How is this any different?

[oiuyt]

Why wouldn't it be? In women's basketball, it's quite common for a school to use a team of male students as practice opponents. How is this any different?

They're required to meet NCAA eligibility rules. Fairly certain there's some other restrictions.

Doesn't sound like that's what's being talked about.

-B

[oiuyt]

I am currently looking at graduate schools and was wondering if it is possible to fence varsity as a graduate student. Is this something determined by the individual school or is there a system that applies to all schools? I currently fence with a club at my school.

Division I Manual:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uplo...d6827c16bc.pdf

Rule 14.1.9 is what you're looking for. The other divisions have their own rules and manuals.

Also look at Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10 for the one-time transfer exception requirements.

-B

[jjefferies]

I fenced for a Div1 program, and we had grad students come by and fence with us during practice (they didn't drill, condition, take or give lessons). They were good competition and had previous experience. They were not on par with the varsity team.

Is this legal?

D3. Makes a difference.

Depends on exact details, but probably not.
-B

oiuyt, Could you qualify your statement? I know of one Div I school which makes a point of having the varsity fencers bout with the local Fencing club, which uses the same facilities. I don't see any rationale why that would not be appropriate but your statement above raised a flag in my reading.

[oiuyt]

oiuyt, Could you qualify your statement? I know of one Div I school which makes a point of having the varsity fencers bout with the local Fencing club, which uses the same facilities. I don't see any rationale why that would not be appropriate but your statement above raised a flag in my reading.

What the members of the team do outside of their team practice doesn't fall under the guidelines for what is allowed at practice. Get outside of the required and organized activities and you're looking at completely different rules.

-B