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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    Yeah, no.

    Sorry, suck it up and deal.
    You will eventually get good enough so you will be able to make use of the info the coach is sharing with his/her fencer. Eventually they will have to resort to hand signals behind you back and a foreign language. This at least won't be distracting to you.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    Yeah, no.

    Sorry, suck it up and deal.
    No, sorry, Telk....


    1. Persons subject to these rules

    t.81
    The regulations laid down in this Part apply to all persons who take
    part in, or who are present in any capacity whatsoever at an
    international or United States Fencing Association competition
    (organizers, officials, referees, fencers, auxiliary personnel, team
    captains, trainers, spectators, etc.), whatever their nationality or
    affiliation.
    Hereinafter, all these persons are described as ‘fencers’.

    t.82
    Everybody taking part in or present at a fencing competition
    must remain orderly and must not disturb the smooth running
    of the competition. During bouts (between the command
    “Fence” and “Halt,”) no one is allowed to go near the strips or
    to give advice to the fencers.


    (emphasis mine)

    So, yes, it is disturbing order. This is enforced to varying degrees throughout the USFA, but it is a cardable offense.
    Been There. Done That. Too Bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewis View Post
    You will eventually get good enough so you will be able to make use of the info the coach is sharing with his/her fencer. Eventually they will have to resort to hand signals behind you back and a foreign language. This at least won't be distracting to you.....
    Notwithstanding my previous post, this is so very true. Often your opponent's coach ends up helping you more than his own fencer because he can't shut up. Use it to your advantage.
    Been There. Done That. Too Bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewis View Post
    You will eventually get good enough so you will be able to make use of the info the coach is sharing with his/her fencer. Eventually they will have to resort to hand signals behind you back and a foreign language. This at least won't be distracting to you.....
    Right, that would have been nice. I've been able to do this a couple of times.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstar44 View Post
    No, sorry, Telk....


    1. Persons subject to these rules

    t.81
    The regulations laid down in this Part apply to all persons who take
    part in, or who are present in any capacity whatsoever at an
    international or United States Fencing Association competition
    (organizers, officials, referees, fencers, auxiliary personnel, team
    captains, trainers, spectators, etc.), whatever their nationality or
    affiliation.
    Hereinafter, all these persons are described as ‘fencers’.

    t.82
    Everybody taking part in or present at a fencing competition
    must remain orderly and must not disturb the smooth running
    of the competition. During bouts (between the command
    “Fence” and “Halt,”) no one is allowed to go near the strips or
    to give advice to the fencers.


    (emphasis mine)

    So, yes, it is disturbing order. This is enforced to varying degrees throughout the USFA, but it is a cardable offense.
    Those are the rules I was thinking of, I've read through the them a couple of times since then.
    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstar44 View Post
    No, sorry, Telk....


    [snipped for great brevity]

    So, yes, it is disturbing order. This is enforced to varying degrees throughout the USFA, but it is a cardable offense.
    You will never, ever get this card thrown. Ever.
    The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    You will never, ever get this card thrown. Ever.
    Wow, NEVER?

    Never, EVER?

    Never, ever, EVER?

    I may not be as all-knowing as you are, Telk, even though I HAVE seen this rule enforced. Several times.

    That's not never.

    Thanks.
    Been There. Done That. Too Bad.

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    Well, hardly ever.

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    Isn't that a minor piece in a G&S operetta?

    The real question is *where* have you seen it thrown, and who threw it.
    The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde

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    That's NOT a question, inasmuch as it ends with the wrong punctuation mark.

    One day, I will card for that. I am just biding my time, waiting for the occasion where it will cause the most consternation, vexation and argument...
    Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!

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    mmm i eagerly await that day...
    It's relative.

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    Hmm, all I aimed to do was give an example relavent to more than just the coached fencer as to when I believe coaching is too much.

    It's a cardable offense yes, though apparently it doesn't happen much. The point is, in those situations something can be done, even if it's not done often.
    No need to argue, gah.
    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    Isn't that a minor piece in a G&S operetta?
    Pinafore.

    -B
    "Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiuyt View Post
    Pinafore.

    -B
    The one about duty?
    The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    The one about duty?
    They're all about duty.

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    I hate to stick my head in the lion's mouth, but I got to ask you: were you the Recording Secretary of the Princeton Gilbert and Sullivan Society for two years?
    The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    I hate to stick my head in the lion's mouth, but I got to ask you: were you the Recording Secretary of the Princeton Gilbert and Sullivan Society for two years?
    I want to be very clear: I could give a damn.

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    There's literally no one in the world that I don't hate right now.
    The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    There's literally no one in the world that I don't hate right now.
    [Wrong episode!]

    Little drinks, I'm supposed to be having right now! Umbrellas, sticking out
    of them! Shish kabob!

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    Right now I don't know if you noticed but there are thirty or forty other people in the room, many of whom have donated significant amounts of money to the Democratic Party, so perhaps you could put a tighter grip on your horses and we will talk about it later.
    The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    Right now I don't know if you noticed but there are thirty or forty other people in the room, many of whom have donated significant amounts of money to the Democratic Party, so perhaps you could put a tighter grip on your horses and we will talk about it later.
    Do you think there's any chance that you could be rude to me
    tomorrow? Tomorrow is Saturday. I will be here. You can call me and be rude by phone or you can stop by and do it in person. Cause I think if I have to endure another disappointment today from this place that I have worshiped, I am gonna lose it. So if you could wait until tomorrow, I would appreciate it.

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