Illinois Gov F-bomb go bye-bye!!

[Purple Fencer]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/...nor/index.html

Not only booted from office...barred from ever holding public office in Illinois ever again....Bloggo takes a HUGE bagel with a vote of 59-0.

I can just see him claiming victim status for years to come....

[OROD]

That guy is one of the biggest tards I've ever seen.

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[Timo]

I live in IL and everyone here saw it coming. Maybe not for selling the senate seat, but he was not a good guy.

[OROD]

I'd walk around ashamed all day if that guy was my Governor, and my state was known for having a history of currupt leadership.

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[MyrddinsPrecint]

Originally Posted by OROD

I'd walk around ashamed all day if that guy was my Governor, and my state was known for having a history of currupt leadership.

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We're all responsible for our own actions, and only that. One might be ashamed they voted for him, but that's not that shameful if A) you didn't know and B) the other guy would have been worse.

I don't tend to approve of blaming the victim.

[tchwojko]

Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

We're all responsible for our own actions, and only that. One might be ashamed they voted for him, but that's not that shameful if A) you didn't know and B) the other guy would have been worse.

I don't tend to approve of blaming the victim.

I'm proud to be from the state that actually *catches* the corrupt politicians. The other 49 have some work to do!

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

I don't tend to approve of blaming the victim.

Kinda hard to play the victim when you're caught on tape discussing selling Obama's senate seat....not to mention coming across as a nutjob every time you open your mouth.

Oooo....here's a nightmare political teamup.....Bloggo and Palin...TWO complete morons in office!

*shudder* The horror....the horror....

[tchwojko]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Kinda hard to play the victim when you're caught on tape discussing selling Obama's senate seat....not to mention coming across as a nutjob every time you open your mouth.

Oooo....here's a nightmare political teamup.....Bloggo and Palin...TWO complete morons in office!

*shudder* The horror....the horror....

Victim = voters, not Blago.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by tchwojko

Victim = voters, not Blago.

Voters = victims OF Blago...

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Voters = victims OF Blago...

..... yes.

Maybe you want to go read the thread again?

OROD indicated that one ought to feel shame if one was a resident of IL, I indicated that that was blaming the victims-- namely, that Blago is the one who ought to feel shame, and the voters who were unaware of Blago's shadyness ought not to own a share of the blame.

[Inquartata]

When you are offered only villains, you are damned whichever ones you choose. The system in Illinois and particularly Chicago offers only villains.

I half-expect Blagojevich to barricade himself in his office and refuse to yield his position...

[Slim]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

When you are offered only villains, you are damned whichever ones you choose. The system in Illinois and particularly Chicago offers only villains.

I half-expect Blagojevich to barricade himself in his office and refuse to yield his position...

Well, they have one fewer now. He's relocated to DC for at least 4 years.

[UserFriendly169]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Kinda hard to play the victim when you're caught on tape discussing selling Obama's senate seat....not to mention coming across as a nutjob every time you open your mouth.

Oooo....here's a nightmare political teamup.....Bloggo and Palin...TWO complete morons in office!

*shudder* The horror....the horror....

Ha! I second that(Both statements)!

P.S. Your glove is awesome, but why did they discontinue it?

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by UserFriendly169

Ha! I second that(Both statements)!

P.S. Your glove is awesome, but why did they discontinue it?

The Armor Two is not discontinued....I just haven't had the money to buy a new shipment....I think that'll change after the Linkmeyer, tho.

[UserFriendly169]

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

The Armor Two is not discontinued....I just haven't had the money to buy a new shipment....I think that'll change after the Linkmeyer, tho.

Linkmeyer?

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by UserFriendly169

Linkmeyer?

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~fencing/Link...vitational.htm

I've been the vendor there since 2003. It's typically a good tourney for sales for me, and between that, sales yesterday, and the fact that a lot of my bills are finally caught up on, I should be able to place and order and have moregloves in a month or so...including a sample of my sabre glove.

What made you think I'd discontinued it?

[Inquartata]

No, I don't think he will be able to Link your er. Though I could be wrong, he does bring a lot of tools.

But seriously, you live in California and you really haven't heard of the Linkmeyer tournament? It's only been around for what? 15 years?

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!

Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/...nor/index.html

Not only booted from office...barred from ever holding public office in Illinois ever again....Bloggo takes a HUGE bagel with a vote of 59-0.

I can just see him claiming victim status for years to come....

Wow, this seems too harsh. Barred from ever holding office again? Heck, many convicted felons have run for office from jail, and have had the right to do so. I do not have a beef with him being fired, but IICI he was only booted for one offence - trying to sell a senatorial seat. Note that the crime is nonviolent, that is not a repeat offender, and that it was not brought to frutition - it was an attempt.

What punishment will the Illinois senate have left when they are presented with a politician with a worse rap sheet?

Furthermore: this decision effectively binds the hands of subsequent state senates, and voters. What the present senate is saying to the future is: "No matter if you think that Blago has repented, our will is final - he will never have any more chances. Your wish, should it be in contradiction, must yield to ours."

Put otherwise, we have a case of a for-all-intents-and-purposes court, other than the SCOTUS, forbidding subsequent courts from taking up the case. Is that even constitutional?


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by PeterGustafsson

Wow, this seems too harsh. Barred from ever holding office again? Heck, many convicted felons have run for office from jail, and have had the right to do so. I do not have a beef with him being fired, but IICI he was only booted for one offence - trying to sell a senatorial seat. Note that the crime is nonviolent, that is not a repeat offender, and that it was not brought to frutition - it was an attempt.

That represents an attempt at thoroughly undermining our government in every conceivable way. I'd go as far as to call it treasonous. It shows a complete lack of morals and shows that he has absolutely no interest in defending even our most basic laws and beliefs. There isn't much more he could do to harm our system of government and the principles we believe in.

If someone does something worse, it will almost certainly be punishable by significant jail time. Also, I don't see the reason in being lenient on someone to retain the potential to inflict stricter sentences in the future for worse crimes.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Originally Posted by PeterGustafsson

Hi!



Wow, this seems too harsh. Barred from ever holding office again? Heck, many convicted felons have run for office from jail, and have had the right to do so. I do not have a beef with him being fired, but IICI he was only booted for one offence - trying to sell a senatorial seat. Note that the crime is nonviolent, that is not a repeat offender, and that it was not brought to frutition - it was an attempt.

What punishment will the Illinois senate have left when they are presented with a politician with a worse rap sheet?

Furthermore: this decision effectively binds the hands of subsequent state senates, and voters. What the present senate is saying to the future is: "No matter if you think that Blago has repented, our will is final - he will never have any more chances. Your wish, should it be in contradiction, must yield to ours."

Put otherwise, we have a case of a for-all-intents-and-purposes court, other than the SCOTUS, forbidding subsequent courts from taking up the case. Is that even constitutional?


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

I believe they can only stop him from serving public office in Illinois. If he feels he must be an elected official, there are 49 other states he can try in.

Selling a Senate seat is pretty bad. Senators in the US have some interesting powers, like "secret holds"- basically saying "we're not going to discuss or vote on this, until I say we are" --- and they don't have to disclose who they are, either. This doesn't often happen for major legislation, and it can be worked around if necessary (see the Tomnibus bill, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/wa...ref=washington ). But selling a Senate seat isn't a small thing.

And it turns out that's not all. There were something like 5 or 6 other charges. He's accused of conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud and solicitation of bribery. He's also done all sorts of things that the IL legislature is usually in charge of by legal loopholes. Some of these things have been dumb, like spending $2.6 million on overseas flu vaccine that the FDA wouldn't let into the country.

I think it would be reasonable to change the way evidence is heard before the IL State Senate can impeach and not allow someone in public office again, such that Blago could call witnesses like he wanted to. But I don't think this is a small issue.