Illinois Gov F-bomb go bye-bye!!

[Philistine]

Wow, this seems too harsh. Barred from ever holding office again?
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Put otherwise, we have a case of a for-all-intents-and-purposes court, other than the SCOTUS, forbidding subsequent courts from taking up the case. Is that even constitutional?

Yes. The Illinois Constitution's provision on impeachment is substantially identical to the one in the federal constitution (which is similar in most other states, also). It limits the "punishment" removal from office and disqualification to hold any public office.

As MrddinsPrecint alluded to, there's something of an open question as to whether there are restraints on how the impeachment must be conducted--e.g. as to the ability to call witnesses, have access to subpoenas, etc.--and whether that mechanics violate due process (though I doubt it would get very far), but the remedy of barring from office is certainly constitutional.

--Philistine

[UserFriendly169]

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~fencing/Link...vitational.htm

I've been the vendor there since 2003. It's typically a good tourney for sales for me, and between that, sales yesterday, and the fact that a lot of my bills are finally caught up on, I should be able to place and order and have moregloves in a month or so...including a sample of my sabre glove.

What made you think I'd discontinued it?

I ordered it from the fencing.net store and they called to ask me if I could get it in a bigger size because they didn't have anymore of my size because they said they discontinued it... I got a size 10 instead of a size 9.5... Whats up with them then?

[Purple Fencer]

I ordered it from the fencing.net store and they called to ask me if I could get it in a bigger size because they didn't have anymore of my size because they said they discontinued it... I got a size 10 instead of a size 9.5... Whats up with them then?

PM coming your way on this so we don't clog the thread...

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!

Yes. The Illinois Constitution's provision on impeachment is substantially identical to the one in the federal constitution (which is similar in most other states, also). It limits the "punishment" removal from office and disqualification to hold any public office.

As MrddinsPrecint alluded to, there's something of an open question as to whether there are restraints on how the impeachment must be conducted--e.g. as to the ability to call witnesses, have access to subpoenas, etc.--and whether that mechanics violate due process (though I doubt it would get very far), but the remedy of barring from office is certainly constitutional.

--Philistine

Don´t get me wrong, I shed no tears for Blago.

I must have expressed myself unclearly. I was not asking whether the remedy of barring from office was constitutional. Instead, I was asking whether prohibiting a subsequent court from taking up the case was constitutional.


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[Hauptman]

Hi!



Don´t get me wrong, I shed no tears for Blago.

I must have expressed myself unclearly. I was not asking whether the remedy of barring from office was constitutional. Instead, I was asking whether prohibiting a subsequent court from taking up the case was constitutional.


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

Good question. The impeachment clearly has the authority to remove him from office, but does it have the authority to bar him from all further public office? I'd say probably not.

[Philistine]

Good question. The impeachment clearly has the authority to remove him from office, but does it have the authority to bar him from all further public office? I'd say probably not.

It clearly does have that authority. The Illinois Constitution (Art. 4, Sec. 14) states:

"Judgment [of impeachment] shall not extend beyond removal from office and disqualification to hold any public office of this State."

This is essentially a verbatim copy of the federal provision:

"Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States"

By definition, it is not unconstitutional under the Illinois Constitution--and while it theoretically could be unconstitutional under the Federal Constitution--given the identical provision in the Federal Constitution (albeit for Federal, rather than State offices), I can't conceive of it being held unconstitutional.

--Philistine

[Hauptman]

It clearly does have that authority. The Illinois Constitution (Art. 4, Sec. 14) states:

"Judgment [of impeachment] shall not extend beyond removal from office and disqualification to hold any public office of this State."

This is essentially a verbatim copy of the federal provision:

"Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States"

By definition, it is not unconstitutional under the Illinois Constitution--and while it theoretically could be unconstitutional under the Federal Constitution--given the identical provision in the Federal Constitution (albeit for Federal, rather than State offices), I can't conceive of it being held unconstitutional.

--Philistine

I guessed wrong. I'm honestly surprised that detail was included in the constitution.

[Purple Fencer]

I guessed wrong. I'm honestly surprised that detail was included in the constitution.

Given the history of Illinois politics, I'm not

[I_luv_saber]

I lol'd.

Can't rep you yet.... you have one coming your way though