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Oh! I thought you meant the part about you being wrong.  Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
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 Originally Posted by downunder  The part about point in line after a lunge, with the caveat as above:
If anyone had actually read my previous post it has a Grand Prix referee saying that this is very rare in real life as it is nearly impossible to keep the hand in the right position during and after the lunge for a point in line. The video replay makes whatever outcome very clear. While I'm so very over this thread I couldn't help but chuckle at the bolded section. Seems this Grand Prix ref might also have an issue with awarding this touch if the PiL is only finally established with the completion of the lunge (I know how at least one Grand Prix saber ref feels about the subject). However, that can't be possible so I'm assuming Downunder just mistyped. I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
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Stepping back out of the way doesn't get you ROW - it just buys you time while you think about what to do about the point which is still threatening your target - and you do have to DO something about it.
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I'd forgotten how horrible the front page of the general forum is...
I think the confusion around this entire issue boils down to an understanding of what, and what does not, constitute a continuation of the attack and how long to extend the phrase after the initial action.
For a lot of fencers, in foil in particular, counter-attacks and remise/reprise/redoublements can NEVER have RoW. If you have that notion, anything that happens after the initial attack, parry/riposte pair is too confusing to call...which leads to the kind of rubbish that has been discussed for the last 4 pages.
Short answer: listen to Downunder.
James. If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid.
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I have a video from the 2001 World Championships where Brice Guyart fences against teammate Loic Attelly in the semi-finals. Sergei Golubitsky is the referee. Loic makes a simple attack and finishes with a line, just like the video here, but in a real-life scenario. Brice steps back to avoid the short lunge and then makes an advance coupe to the back, much like the video here.
Golubitsky called it line for Attelly. Guyart looks quizzically at Golubitsky, but doesn't complain (teammates and all). Attelly shrugs and they both go on to complete the bout.
(Attelly wins and then loses to Sanzo for the gold.)
So there you have it. It can be called as a PiL. These actions are exactly the case where if the referee calls it for you (the PiL maker), then go ahead and make such actions go in your favor. if the referee doesn't call it for you, don't continue doing it. In either case, never argue with the referee, although it could be acceptable to question the referee for their rationale.
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I only have it on VHS. I might be able to convert it to DVD and then I can snippet it to upload to YT. Not that I have the time or inclination or the video editing skills.
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Originally Posted by edew I only have it on VHS. I might be able to convert it to DVD and then I can snippet it to upload to YT. Not that I have the time or inclination or the video editing skills. Give the video to Mauler or RIT either one of them should have the tool and time to do the grunt work. Go to the well until the well is dry. When the well is dry find a new well.
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