Bleu Gauntlet Hungarian Grips as Good As Leons?

[trickery dickery dock]

I thought maybe I should cheat and switch to a pistol. Is there a difference (other than the price?)

[DangerMouse]

You mean besides the fact that Leon Paul doesn't sell hungarian grips?

[Nolano]

they sell the visconti with palm pad, which I could swear they used to call a hungarian...

[migopod]

I had a couple of the BG Hungarians.
I'd suggest not using them unless you have a pretty small hand or a severe desire to thoroughly reshape the handle. I was reasonably happy with mine after I removed a lot of metal, but wound up with normal viscontis in the end. The palm pad looks like it's going to be easier to get really extreme angulation for infighting but it really doesn't do anything better than a normal visconti. If anything, the pad deprives you of the leverage you would get from the rear prong of a longer grip.

I've never held the LP Visconti-with-palm-pad, but unless they come in larger sizes, I'd expect the same issues.

[Tomas N]

You mean besides the fact that Leon Paul doesn't sell hungarian grips?

They do now.

http://www.leonpaulusa.com/fencing/a...l_Handles.html

Tomas

[Tomas N]

I had a couple of the BG Hungarians.
I'd suggest not using them unless you have a pretty small hand or a severe desire to thoroughly reshape the handle. I was reasonably happy with mine after I removed a lot of metal, but wound up with normal viscontis in the end. The palm pad looks like it's going to be easier to get really extreme angulation for infighting but it really doesn't do anything better than a normal visconti. If anything, the pad deprives you of the leverage you would get from the rear prong of a longer grip.

I've never held the LP Visconti-with-palm-pad, but unless they come in larger sizes, I'd expect the same issues.

My personal experience is different. The pad gives me a bit more control, and since there isn't the long prong of the Visconti, I don't have a permanent callous/blister in the middle of my wrist. I agree it doesn't really help that much for infighting. PBT, Ziv, and Triplette all sell a version. The Triplette is the largest that I've seen. I have 9.5 size hands and find the Triplette way too big and the PBT just right.

Tomas

[DangerMouse]

I still don't see a Hungarian Grip on that page...

[Purple Fencer]

I still don't see a Hungarian Grip on that page...

What's commonly referred to as a Hungarian looksmore like a cramped Belgian to me.

[ESLyon]

The BG Hungarian is extremely small (I don't see a size option on their website). I ordered it a few weeks ago and I can't even get my hand around it. My hands are not very large either. I have a Zivkovic KIII (Hungarian-like style) that I'm using right now that may be a little small but I have more point control with that than with my visconti. No idea on the LP's.

[Tomas N]

I still don't see a Hungarian Grip on that page...

As the original post was about BG Hungarians, here's a link to theirs. I, at least, can find a grip on the LP page that looks like that.

http://www.blue-gauntlet.com/store/products/231

I guess it all depends on your definition of Hungarian. Seems like both PBT and LP have changed theirs. But others haven't, including Triplette, which still calls theirs a PBT Hungarian style.

http://www.triplette.com/catalog.php...Fcategory%3D37

Tomas

[Purple Fencer]

As the original post was about BG Hungarians, here's a link to theirs. I, at least, can find a grip on the LP page that looks like that.

http://www.blue-gauntlet.com/store/products/231

I guess it all depends on your definition of Hungarian. Seems like both PBT and LP have changed theirs. But others haven't, including Triplette, which still calls theirs a PBT Hungarian style.

http://www.triplette.com/catalog.php...Fcategory%3D37

Tomas

Now see...both of those look like a German (note the bulb at the end ofthe thumb hook and the flare at the nose) with a Zivkovik paddle on the end.

[Rick Shellhouse]

. I agree it doesn't really help that much for infighting. PBT, Ziv, and Triplette all sell a version.
Tomas

Tomas....

look me up at a tourny and ill show ya the bennies of infighting with a zivkovic...

R

[DangerMouse]

Wow, I've never heard that referred to as hungarian.

[CvilleFencer]

Wow, I've never heard that referred to as hungarian.

I have never heard the one you linked to referred to as a Hungarian! It looks like one of the PBT Belgians to me, or maybe one of the Schermasport/Negrini small Belgians. From my experience, what LP is calling a Hungarian is pretty much a Hungarian. This whole thread does sort of illustrate the point that you can't really make a certain grip illegal, you just have to spell out why a grip might be non-conforming and under what circumstances.

[wescfencer011]

well some of my class mate have a BG hungarian grip. i have to say compare to leon pauls paded shot pistol( hungarian )grip, i would pick leon paul hands down.
- the quality of BG is like a sand casting product. very rough finish
- the side wall hole where the nut tighting are very thin.

oh one more thing about the hungarian grips are there are hand full of company sale them and size are limted to one size. you next best thing that are close to hungarian grips are short ulhmann pistol, ZIVKOVIC GII grip or KIII grip, or you can alway cut the tang of the pistal grip off and heat to bend it out so it allow you to tilt you hand like a hungarian grip would allow you to.

[migopod]

well some of my class mate have a BG hungarian grip. i have to say compare to leon pauls paded shot pistol( hungarian )grip, i would pick leon paul hands down.
- the quality of BG is like a sand casting product. very rough finish
- the side wall hole where the nut tighting are very thin.

oh one more thing about the hungarian grips are there are hand full of company sale them and size are limted to one size. you next best thing that are close to hungarian grips are short ulhmann pistol, ZIVKOVIC GII grip or KIII grip, or you can alway cut the tang of the pistal grip off and heat to bend it out so it allow you to tilt you hand like a hungarian grip would allow you to.

If you try to bend parts of the pistol grip, especially when heated, you should make sure it's a grip that you don't mind breaking. A lot of cast aluminum tends towards being brittle, and heating aluminum is not like heating steel. Hot steel bends more easily than cold steel, but aluminum gets 'hot short' which makes it much more likely to break than if it were room temperature.

If you want to bend the rear extension, I'd suggest gentle blows with a rubber mallet against something anvil like (bench vice, metal pipe, whatever). It's still pretty likely that you'll end up snapping off the extension entirely, but you probably stand a better chance of getting it to bend a bit.

[piste off]

I thought that that style grip was called Hungarian because it was developed by Győző Kulcsár, the great epeeist of the 60s and current HUN coach. Note some versions have it stamped with a "K2."

R-

[migopod]

I thought that that style grip was called Hungarian because it was developed by Győző Kulcsár, the great epeeist of the 60s and current HUN coach. Note some versions have it stamped with a "K2."

R-

Strangely enough PbT not only lists them as Belgians, but also does attribute their invention to Kulcsár. Of course PbT seems to call all their orthos Belgians, even the Viscontis and the one that actually does look a bit Belgian which they call their Hungarian.

Maybe Belgian is Hungarian for orthopedic?

[piste off]

Strangely enough PbT not only lists them as Belgians, but also does attribute their invention to Kulcsár. Of course PbT seems to call all their orthos Belgians, even the Viscontis and the one that actually does look a bit Belgian which they call their Hungarian.

Maybe Belgian is Hungarian for orthopedic?

That is weird.

To me, Belgians have always been the most distinctive of the pistol grips because of the pronouced "prong" in the front. Much more than any other grips including the "Hungarian."

Perhaps it is a translation thing?

One other thing... why are Hungarian grips always small/medium? Kulcsár and his nephew (who uses one also, as I recall) are both pretty big dudes.

R-

[piste off]

The BG Hungarian is extremely small (I don't see a size option on their website). I ordered it a few weeks ago and I can't even get my hand around it. My hands are not very large either. I have a Zivkovic KIII (Hungarian-like style) that I'm using right now that may be a little small but I have more point control with that than with my visconti. No idea on the LP's.

The picture on their site has a version that is stamped "K2" which is right-handed Regular. The OPT (option) has an R on that website, so I think what they offer is the regular size as opposed to the smaller one (K1 for a right-hand). The PBT site explains the size/hand coding.

Sounds like if you have big hands then you have to go bigger than what BG and PBT offer.

R-