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    I'm fine with the lockout timing. I am yet to see a correct riposte that doesn't turn on a light. Come to think of it, I can't recall seeing any correct action that gets locked out on timing.

    However, get rid of the current debounce time. I wish hitting someone would turn on a light...
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    Quote Originally Posted by catwood1 View Post
    I'm fine with the lockout timing. I am yet to see a correct riposte that doesn't turn on a light. Come to think of it, I can't recall seeing any correct action that gets locked out on timing.

    However, get rid of the current debounce time. I wish hitting someone would turn on a light...
    Not that I disagree but one reason you may not see these actions is b/c stopped doing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catwood1 View Post
    I'm fine with the lockout timing. I am yet to see a correct riposte that doesn't turn on a light. Come to think of it, I can't recall seeing any correct action that gets locked out on timing.

    However, get rid of the current debounce time. I wish hitting someone would turn on a light...
    Sorry! I thought your first comment was directed towards sabre.
    Last edited by sheck; 12-08-2008 at 01:07 PM.

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    I've seen a number of correct ripostes get locked out on the new saber timing. At the level of NAC's and World Cups, saber fencers have learned the epee trick of attacking just short enough to put the tip of the saber on the bell. If the opponent opens up the guard to make a riposte, the remise can lockout the riposte if it is done in association with dynamic footwork on the retreat.

    Ivan Lee also mentioned this in his seminar at the Cherry Blossom last year, and advised that the defender add an extra step on the retreat to defeat the remise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Evans View Post
    I've seen a number of correct ripostes get locked out on the new saber timing. At the level of NAC's and World Cups, saber fencers have learned the epee trick of attacking just short enough to put the tip of the saber on the bell. If the opponent opens up the guard to make a riposte, the remise can lockout the riposte if it is done in association with dynamic footwork on the retreat.

    Ivan Lee also mentioned this in his seminar at the Cherry Blossom last year, and advised that the defender add an extra step on the retreat to defeat the remise.

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    Catwood is discussing foil you are talking sabre. I dont totally agree with him but 350ms should be enough for a simple foil reposte I just know that a bit longer would be better.
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    Hmmm....from re-reading the thread more carefully, you're probably correct. Shecks comment was sticking in my mind when I wrote the reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Evans View Post
    Hmmm....from re-reading the thread more carefully, you're probably correct. Shecks comment was sticking in my mind when I wrote the reply.

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    Sorry I should read more carefully. LOL!

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    I was going to ask, myself, if he was talking about foil, sabre or both. I have personally had clean, correct sabre ripostes locked out by brushing against the opponent's blade as I extended off the parry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notalent View Post
    Catwood is discussing foil you are talking sabre. I dont totally agree with him but 350ms should be enough for a simple foil reposte I just know that a bit longer would be better.
    Hence 435ms. I scientifically tested it to get to that number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wbowman View Post
    I was going to ask, myself, if he was talking about foil, sabre or both. I have personally had clean, correct sabre ripostes locked out by brushing against the opponent's blade as I extended off the parry.
    Now I can see he was talking about foil (which makes sense because it is soo clear the sabre blockout time is too short). I had overlooked the last part part about debounce timing.

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