Also my guess is that after they were done exceptionally late, they decided to go get food, and some sleep since they have have to wake up way early to do it all again tomorrow.
What's the "real" world again? I don't think I can see it from my window
The account I got from my daughter was a tad garbled, since there was a problem with the first round pool results and a long delay until the second round started, so she was tired and hadn't eaten yet by the time she called, but she said Becca won.
Danielle Kamis, Dominika Franszicokowicz (sp?), Danielle Kamis, Audrey Barroso, Kamali Thompson, and Christie Griffith were in the top 8.
Kristen Howell won the WE. Christie didn't know anything about the foil because she was fencing when their awards were announced.
I was more wondering which colleges had the stronger teams. We knew who won WS but which schools are strong in foil and epee.
It is all new for us.
This should be an interesting year.
How about the guys??
Tomorrow will be interesting for them.
When and where will the results be posted?
How do the scores count for collegiate meets?
Is it for individuals or teams?
The Momster
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a true friend will help you hide the body...: )
I was more wondering which colleges had the stronger teams. We knew who won WS but which schools are strong in foil and epee.
It is all new for us.
This should be an interesting year.
How about the guys??
Tomorrow will be interesting for them.
When and where will the results be posted?
How do the scores count for collegiate meets?
Is it for individuals or teams?
The Momster
Well keep in mind that most of the top NCAA schools don't send teams to Temple- Penn State sends a few 2nd/3rd stringers, OSU/Notre Dame/St. Johns/Harvard/Princeton/Columbia don't attend. So I wouldn't draw that many conclusions from this tournament.
Temple is individual only, no team competition, and the results have no bearing on the rest of the season (except I believe under an obscure tiebreaker situation). It's more of a preseason warmup, much like Penn State.
As for dual meets themselves... each team (M & W are considered separate teams) fields 3 weapon squads (foil, sabre, epee) of 3 fencers each. Your squad fences the other school's squad in a round robin of 5 touch bouts- that is to say, each member of the squad fences all 3 of the opposing fencers, each to 5 touches. You add together your total team victories across all three weapons. Since there's 27 bouts total, 14 wins clinches a meet. Generally either each weapon gets its own strip, or F/S is combined and epee goes to a separate strip. Since epee (almost) always has its own strip, close meets usually get decided by a foil bout (although I have fenced in meets where it came down to sabre).
Now of course, since NCAA's are an individual competition, the team's record doesn't really count for much in the end. The important thing is to get enough bouts/wins to qualify for NCAA Regionals with a good initial seed, then have a good showing in regionals to qualify for NCAA Nationals (there's a formula, someone else can explain it). Each school can qualify a maximum of 2 athletes per gender-weapon, for a total max of 12 athletes per school. At NCAA's, there's a total of 24 fencers in each gender-weapon, qualifying from slots allocated to each region based on perceived strength (i.e. Northeast region gets more slots in MS than Mid-Atlantic, which gets more MS slots than Midwest). Over two days, you fence a complete round robin, and then the top 4 fence DE's for the medals. Based on each fencer's finish following the round robin, their school earns a certain number of points. The school with the most points, men's and women's combined, at the end of Nationals is the champion.
"Sometimes we, as coaches, get into that dictator mode where you just tell and you don't listen and you don't try to understand them." Tom Izzo, Mich. St.
"Fraud is the creation of trust. And then: its betrayal."
William Black, Ph.D.
In fairness regional qualifiers are distributed based on the previous year's results at NCAAs from that region for that specific weapon. Also, the formula, while explicable, changes. Many coaches don't actually know what it changes to (then again, some don't even read the manual). Even if you know MGriff is right and you need a real season's worth of data to see what the results will be. This season's, for example, has been tweaked to eliminate the unfortunate results of fencing too many teams (especially ones w/ weaker fencers) which ocurred last season.
Sadly, I've already seen teams sit fencers and/or switch their squads b/c they don't want to hurt their SSF...
I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"Martin was not an optimist; he was a prisoner of hope." Optimism is about assuming there's evidence that justifies your outlook while hope is about creating the evidence and procuring your own happiness or vision of the world. - Professor West
Don't forget that there were plenty of club teams there, some with strong fencers, others with people who were nothing but +points for the varsity kids. Otherwise, looks like Duke made a pretty big turnaround from Duke circa 2004.
Anyone else get sick of watching some varsity kid scream his head off during a bout against a novice club fencer who was losing by 14 touches?
Anyone else get sick of watching some varsity kid scream his head off during a bout against a novice club fencer who was losing by 14 touches?
Yes. I tend to have a problem with fencers who are screaming alot when they have a huge lead in a bout. Granted, I scream ALOT when I fence, but if I have a big lead, I really try not to.
Ew... did I just agree with one of the F.net anti-screamers...
Shudder...
"Sir, didn't I parry"
"You didn't take advantage of his blade enough, so no."
Anyone else get sick of watching some varsity kid scream his head off during a bout against a novice club fencer who was losing by 14 touches?
Well, this was billed as a warm-up meet, and as any top-notch opera enthusiast will tell you, warming up and training the vocal cords is an integral part of the peak performance process...
This eardrum-puncturing preparation could have the fencer arriving at the NCAAs with their victory aria already in full voice.
Or, in a perfect world, with enough polyps on their vocal cords to render them mute. Works either way.
"Sometimes we, as coaches, get into that dictator mode where you just tell and you don't listen and you don't try to understand them." Tom Izzo, Mich. St.
"Fraud is the creation of trust. And then: its betrayal."
William Black, Ph.D.
Better scans of the results. These have been sent over to Sports Information and will likely appear on the Temple website later today, but meanwhile...
-B
"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
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Discrimination!
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