Sectionals 2009

[passata_sotto]

Does FF realise that it is 1200 miles from Phoenix to Kansas City (one city in the Rocky Mountain Section to another in the Rocky Mountain Section) and we can compare that to 3000 miles from Salt Lake City to Anchorage ( one city in the Pacific Northwest Section to another city in the Pacific Northwest Section) which is where PN Sectionals are being held this year? The four main areas of our Section are:Anchorage, Seattle, Portland, and Salt Lake City. It is 766 miles from Portland to Salt Lake City and 841 miles from Seattle. If you took the geographic center (driving) of the PN Section it would be somewhere around Edmonton, Canada which is over 1500 miles from Anchorage and 1500 miles from St George, Utah. So, exactly what is FF's complaint?

[fatfencer]

Originally Posted by passata_sotto

Does FF realise that it is 1200 miles from Phoenix to Kansas City (one city in the Rocky Mountain Section to another in the Rocky Mountain Section) and we can compare that to 3000 miles from Salt Lake City to Anchorage ( one city in the Pacific Northwest Section to another city in the Pacific Northwest Section) which is where PN Sectionals are being held this year? The four main areas of our Section are:Anchorage, Seattle, Portland, and Salt Lake City. It is 766 miles from Portland to Salt Lake City and 841 miles from Seattle. If you took the geographic center (driving) of the PN Section it would be somewhere around Edmonton, Canada which is over 1500 miles from Anchorage and 1500 miles from St George, Utah. So, exactly what is FF's complaint?

My sitch is like: somebody screwed most of us so that a few could be happy this year. This is bad planning and enough to ***** about

Your sitch is like: getting boned in the booty by many large endowed men when you dont swing that way. Worse, and enough to ***** about.

Yours being worse doesnt make mine not *****able. It just means that in addition to my *****ing I should take your sitch and add it as evidence that Section Committees are brainless booty boners.

Lewis Black,

Fatfencer

[SabreReedfrost]

Mayhap there are more influential people in Kansas...

[physicspackage]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

My sitch is like: somebody screwed most of us so that a few could be happy this year. This is bad planning and enough to ***** about

Your sitch is like: getting boned in the booty by many large endowed men when you dont swing that way. Worse, and enough to ***** about.

Yours being worse doesnt make mine not *****able. It just means that in addition to my *****ing I should take your sitch and add it as evidence that Section Committees are brainless booty boners.

Lewis Black,

Fatfencer

Hey FF - Be wary of people holding a bag of cheetos, just saying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boA5OlwwYuU

[fatfencer]

Those are some awesome commercials.

FF

[Rockstar44]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

My sitch is like: somebody screwed most of us so that a few could be happy this year. This is bad planning and enough to ***** about
Fatfencer

No, sorry.

Somebody didn't do anything. This was a decision made at the section meeting and was voted on (by people from Arizona).

Most of us are not getting "screwed".

Bad planning? Well, maybe, it did take a long time to post the venue.

You can ***** all you want, but the rest of us really don't want to hear it anymore. Sectionals are going to be held in Lawrence, whether you like it or not. If it's that bad, then DON'T GO!

Suck it up and move on, man.

[Rockstar44]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Section Committees are brainless ***** *****.



Fatfencer

And, there is an election held every year. Instead of *****ing, you could actually do something about it.

Oh, what was I thinking? It's so much easier to just *****.

[SabreReedfrost]

I owe you rep points for those last two posts, man. Very eloquent.

FF- Dear God. You seem to have unleashed much of your fury in those last few posts. Disappointed that your airfare is going to cost a few dollars extra? Welcome to our world.

[Inquartata]

Meh. FF, it sucks as much for KS fencers to have to come to Phx as for us to have to go there. The distance is the same no matter which way you're going.

It's actually farther from Phx to Boulder than from KS to Boulder.

I wonder what the conspiracy theories have sounded like in the KS fencing community lo! these many years, as they have seen Sectionals be held in Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico...but never there? What must their thoughts on the subject of "getting screwed"?

Like I said before, they should get a turn. It's unfortunate for us that we have to travel all that way in bad economic times, but that's life...

[physicspackage]

Originally Posted by Rockstar44

And, there is an election held every year. Instead of *****ing, you could actually do something about it.

Oh, what was I thinking? It's so much easier to just *****.

Actually we have elections every two years, so FF will have to endure another year of tyrannical rule.

[Rockstar44]

Originally Posted by physicspackage

Actually we have elections every two years, so FF will have to endure another year of tyrannical rule.

OMG! How ever will we survive?

Our only hope is that we can make it through the next year until FF takes over and saves us all.

[SabreReedfrost]

Sweet, so we get it next year too! Awesome! Now that we have Sectionals, we just need to focus on the Republican National Convention... And we're set! Oh, and the Chiefs and the Royals need to win a game or two...

[fatfencer]

Originally Posted by SabreReedfrost

Sweet, so we get it next year too! Awesome! Now that we have Sectionals, we just need to focus on the Republican National Convention... And we're set! Oh, and the Chiefs and the Royals need to win a game or two...

Hopefully next years financials wont suck as much Donkey Dick as this years such that I might... MIGHT be willing to attend. Surely it won't be in Kansas TWICE in a row...

The comment about folks from AZ voting to have it in Kansas... well...I dunno. Maybe. Maybe they voted to have it somewhere else. Who knows? If they did.. they were wrong. I can't fry them with my Sith Lightning just because they had a momentary lack of vision. Oh... wait... I can.

All I can say is Im probably going to be right and this will be a woefully underpopulated tourney. Havent checked in awhile.

Sadly the pay is too low for me to consider mingling with the commoners and actually voting.

Perish the thought.

FF

[Rockstar44]

And, I thought this thread was dead. Sigh, I guess it's not to be.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

The comment about folks from AZ voting to have it in Kansas... well...I dunno.

I do.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Maybe they voted to have it somewhere else.

Nope.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Who knows?

I do.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

If they did..

They did.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

...they were wrong.

No, they weren't.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

All I can say is Im probably going to be right and this will be a woefully underpopulated tourney.

Maybe, maybe not. We'll see.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Sadly the pay is too low for me to consider mingling with the commoners and actually voting.

Then, why are you complaining?



Any more questions?

Sincerely,
Rockstar44 (a mere commoner)

[fatfencer]

Originally Posted by Rockstar44

And, I thought this thread was dead. Sigh, I guess it's not to be.

So if its a crappy turn out will you concede to me that it was a horse**** idea?

Or are you actually saying that its ok for all of us to spend MORE money in the worst financial year EVER just so that Kansas can have a turn?

They have the smallest division in the section I think...

Fatfencer

PS: WHEN its a crappy turn out I would like for you to be as vocal about your acknowledgement as you are now. Is that too much to ask? Surely you're not a Hauptman or a ILS? Surely you have the fiber, the stones to man up and admit you were wrong? I sure do.

PPS: Whoever is wrong.. buys beer at SN's.

[Rockstar44]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

So if its a crappy turn out will you concede to me that it was a horse**** idea?

No, I won't. I think that you are missing my point entirely. Turnout is based entirely on how many fencers decide to go. At this point, nobody knows the answer to that question. You may be right. It could be the worst turnout ever (although I seriously doubt that it will be). What I am saying is that we in the section need to spread the events among all the fencers in the section (the greater good that you are so fond of). Every division should get a shot at it and if the luck of the draw is that it's a bad year, the losers will be the division hosting the event, not the fencers who have to travel to get there. So, if anybody is getting "screwed", it's the Kansas fencers, not the Arizonoids who voluntarily decide to travel. There was an opportunity for you to have voiced your opinions when the matter was voted on, and I don't recall any input from you at that time.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Or are you actually saying that its ok for all of us to spend MORE money in the worst financial year EVER just so that Kansas can have a turn?

Pretty much, yeah. That's the breaks. None of us can predict the future.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

They have the smallest division in the section I think......

Wrong again. They are third, after Colorado (nearly twice as many as Arizona) and Arizona (which only has a few more than Kansas). You know this.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

PS: WHEN its a crappy turn out I would like for you to be as vocal about your acknowledgement as you are now. Is that too much to ask? Surely you're not a Hauptman or a ILS? Surely you have the fiber, the stones to man up and admit you were wrong? I sure do. .

I will be, no matter what the turnout is. As I said, you misunderstand the issue here. It's only fair, and was decided fairly, that Sectionals would be held in Kansas this year. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to go, but Sectionals will take place in Lawrence this year.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

PPS: Whoever is wrong.. buys beer at SN's.

I think that most of us know who is wrong, but hey, if I see you at Nationals, I will be proud to buy you a beer anyway!

[fatfencer]

[quote=Rockstar44;788430]

No, I won't. What I am saying is that we in the section need to spread the events among all the fencers in the section (the greater good that you are so fond of).

Rockstar. Let me try and explain greatest good for greatest number. Colorado is truly the most centrally located state in the section. It really should be held there ALWAYS. However, to give them a break AZ and NM can hold it since all 3 are withing driving distance and flying between the 3 states is very cheap. I forget who else is in this section besides us and Kansas.

SO to use your numbers... Colorado plus Arizona plus New Mexico is greater than Kansas. We are all much closer to each other than Kansas. Its cheaper to fly to any of these states for US, the greatest number, than to Kansas.

What in the name of Sam Hill dont you get? What you assert is the greatest good is not the greatest good for the greatest number. Its the division of a lesser evil amongst the participants.

Every division should get a shot at it

No. If our standard is the greatest good for the greatest number, hereafter referred to as "utilitarianism", then a way out there division with less people than other divisions should NOT get a "shot" at making the rest of us spend more and do more to compete.

the losers will be the division hosting the event, not the fencers who have to travel to get there.

This is so painfully.... I don't know what the word is. WRONG. There. thats it. And I was nice about it. Somehow that makes me feel icky.....

So, if anybody is getting "screwed", it's the Kansas fencers

Sadly this is the case and yes they should get 'screwed' as you put it BUT they should be recompensed somewhat for the fact that they may not get as much representation. Maybe the section can partially recompense travel fees to those fencers from Kansas who attend. Maybe some of them anyways. This way its still "FAIR" but the greater number doesnt get hosed every few years.

There was an opportunity for you to have voiced your opinions when the matter was voted on, and I don't recall any input from you at that time.

I don't recall being invited and I shouldnt have to travel to voice my opinion. Section business that requires voting should be such that we can vote via the internet. I voiced my opinion as soon as I was made aware.

Pretty much, yeah. That's the breaks. None of us can predict the future.

Its not predicting the future thats required. Its an acknowledgment of the immediate past. An emergency meeting could have been called to fix this but nooooooooo. Whenever I originally raised this we had plenty of time to call everyone and get a concensus about how to do this. Now, the Section is going to have a bad tourney in Kansas. Likely.

I think that most of us know who is wrong

I've told enough people off who are retarded on this forum such that those who think Im right dont want to pipe up. Those that are wrong and buttsore about it are in such large quantity that YOU, lucky YOU, are the benefactor of unearned popularity. You aren't right, I'm just disliked by the asinine horde for telling the truth too often. I'm ok with that. Logic is tough to follow with the mentally challenged.

but hey, if I see you at Nationals, I will be proud to buy you a beer anyway!

I'd prefer you just tell the truth, but instead of asking what you cannot possibly afford to give I'll take the beer.

FF

[Rockstar44]

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Colorado is truly the most centrally located state in the section.

No argument there.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

It really should be held there ALWAYS.

Maybe.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

I forget who else is in this section besides us and Kansas.

This statement pretty much negates your entire argument. You keep talking about "centrally located" and "the greatest number", and yet you don't even know who is in this section and where they are.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

SO to use your numbers... Colorado plus Arizona plus New Mexico is greater than Kansas.

You get an "A" in math.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

We are all much closer to each other than Kansas.

BZZZT! Wrong again! Kansas is WAY closer to us. In fact, if you check a section map you will see that everybody (except western NM) is closer to Kansas than to Arizona.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Its cheaper to fly to any of these states for US....

Not necessarily. Have you checked the airfares? I would guess that you haven't.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

What in the name of Sam Hill dont you get? What you assert is the greatest good is not the greatest good for the greatest number. Its the division of a lesser evil amongst the participants.

Okay, if you want to frame it that way, greatest number = Colorado. Closer venue = Kansas. This holds true if you include the numbers from ALL the divisions. By your own admission, you don't even know who all is in the section.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

If our standard is the greatest good for the greatest number, hereafter referred to as "utilitarianism", then a way out there division with less people than other divisions should NOT get a "shot" at making the rest of us spend more and do more to compete.

This is a good argument for NEVER holding sectionals in Arizona.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

Somehow that makes me feel icky.....

You should see a doctor about that.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

....they should be recompensed somewhat for the fact that they may not get as much representation. Maybe the section can partially recompense travel fees to those fencers from Kansas who attend. Maybe some of them anyways. This way its still "FAIR"....

Oh, yeah, that's gonna happen. Nice idea, but lets stay in the real world here. And, from whom would that money come, anyway? You.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

I don't recall being invited and I shouldnt have to travel to voice my opinion.

Everybody, including you, was invited to the meeting. If you didn't want to be there you should have made your preferences known to the representatives from Arizona who were there.

Originally Posted by fatfencer

I've told enough people off who are retarded on this forum such that those who think Im right dont want to pipe up. Those that are wrong and buttsore about it are in such large quantity that YOU, lucky YOU, are the benefactor of unearned popularity. You aren't right, I'm just disliked by the asinine horde for telling the truth too often. I'm ok with that. Logic is tough to follow with the mentally challenged.

Wow, you're really starting to worry me here. This is bordering on delusional, and has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Do you notice people following you, too?

Originally Posted by fatfencer

I'd prefer you just tell the truth, but instead of asking what you cannot possibly afford to give I'll take the beer.

What's not true?

It's been great fun debating this with you, but if you want to continue this you are going to have to come up with some new material. It must have been some shady dealing in a smoke-filled back room in the dead of night, right?

[physicspackage]

It all became clear last night when I saw a South Park episode last night. FF is channeling Eric Cartman, and doing a great job at it. In fact, it is downright scary how good of a job he's doing.

[fatfencer]

You seem to be comparing one division vs another instead of realizing that holding it in Kansas makes ALL the other states have to go.

Thus when considering greatest good for greatest number you have the 175 members of Kansas and their wishes

vs the rest of the entire section.

Assuming at least 1000 fencers thats 825 that potentially have to bend to the rule of the out of the way few.

Granted not eveyone in any division is going but the ratios are the same. I hope you understand ratios.

Kansas isn't closer to the majority of the states in the section. Just isnt. No matter how much you cry about it doesnt make it so.

Apparently the stupid who cant look at a map and come up with a reasonable decision...well they win again.

The sad part is this tourney is going to be very small.

And yes, when last I checked it was cheaper to fly to Colorado than it was to fly to Kansas.

I would have gone to Sectionals if it were held somewhere normal. But Kansas? Hmmmmm... no.

Stupid.....

FF