So I understand of course the main advantage is that it is easier to flick, but nowadays it is hard for even an A rated fencer to land a shoulder or back flick. It seems that flicking can bring more bad than good? So why do people praise Vniti's over a BF blue or a STM? Keep in mind that I'm not talking about price, I realize that they are a good deal money wise. I'm not too worried about the price, I'm looking for a blade that will help me fence my absolute best.
p.s. I apologize if this a popular topic, I searched though the forums and didn't find what I was looking for.
So I understand of course the main advantage is that it is easier to flick, but nowadays it is hard for even an A rated fencer to land a shoulder or back flick.
ORLY!?
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It seems that flicking can bring more bad than good? So why do people praise Vniti's over a BF blue or a STM? Keep in mind that I'm not talking about price, I realize that they are a good deal money wise. I'm not too worried about the price, I'm looking for a blade that will help me fence my absolute best.
p.s. I apologize if this a popular topic, I searched though the forums and didn't find what I was looking for.
Vnitis have a great feel and are extremely durable, both for a relatively reasonable price. I don't think their popularity is due to flexibility.
Also, the applications of flexibility are far from limited to back or shoulder flicks.
You're just hearing more people praise Vniti blades because you're new, and that's what's being talked about recently.. You missed all the threads with people like me raving over how brilliant point control is. Note, it's not easy with a blade that's flicky like a wet noodle.
I say the primary advantage of a Vniti is they're more durable than the tanks they used to be made from.
I still use blades that are more expensive and break sooner specifically because while the balance point is the same, they're lighter and far more stiff. If they still made Vniti's stiff I'd probably use one, at least for practice.
Back flicks? Yes, they're not easy. Even with a flexible blade.
Shoulder flicks? I do them all the time, with my stiffest-one-in-the-pile BF Blue.
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You're just hearing more people praise Vniti blades because you're new, and that's what's being talked about recently.. You missed all the threads with people like me raving over how brilliant point control is. Note, it's not easy with a blade that's flicky like a wet noodle.
I say the primary advantage of a Vniti is they're more durable than the tanks they used to be made from.
I still use blades that are more expensive and break sooner specifically because while the balance point is the same, they're lighter and far more stiff. If they still made Vniti's stiff I'd probably use one, at least for practice.
Back flicks? Yes, they're not easy. Even with a flexible blade.
Shoulder flicks? I do them all the time, with my stiffest-one-in-the-pile BF Blue.
When it comes to usefullness and ease of flicks, you have to specify foil or epee.
In Epee, Vnitis were really good for me because I switched to epee with enough (sabre) experience that I could feel the difference between a good blade and a horrible blade, but my distance was still off often enough that I wanted something super durable.
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When it comes to usefullness and ease of flicks, you have to specify foil or epee.
In Epee, Vnitis were really good for me because I switched to epee with enough (sabre) experience that I could feel the difference between a good blade and a horrible blade, but my distance was still off often enough that I wanted something super durable.
Nolano, you should be aware that there are effectively two ranges of Vniti blades. You just have to know what to ask for. If you like the stiff blades, ask for the M series. The will be marked with an M on the tang and they are poll cue stiff. If you like a more flexible to stupid flexible blade (says the epeeist mind you) then order the standard. The standards can usually be split off into Medium and Flicky so if you order from F.Net, LP or Absolute they should be able to set you up with what you like so long as you ask for it.
As to whats so great about a Vniti? They don't break. They also have a good feel and you can find a range of flex that suits most people. For the money, they are the longest lasting blades on the market. As to the feel, if I could afford any blade, I would go with LP Flickmasters, but only cause they feel like a Vniti, just a bit lighter. Unfortunately they don't hold up as well in my hands and I can get two Vniti for the price of one Flickmaster, so Vniti is what I use.
It is worth noting that I switched my clubs blades over to Vniti about 6 months ago and we haven't broken a blade yet. So yeah, I recommend them.
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I think the advantage of the viniti is that it "grows with the fencer". When I first started, I had a viniti and it was stiff as hell. It didn't bend at all and that was fine for me-- i was a beginner. Over time, my game started to inprove and my actions required a more flicky blade-- I thought I'd need a new one,, but that wasn't the case at all. My viniti got flicky-er.
I'd say for foil the Vniti is the best blade out there.
For epee, it's definitely a specific taste. If you're a pistol gripper, I'd definitely say go with a BF, since once your hand strength gets up to where it should be the stiffer blade aids your point control significantly. I personally use the Vnitis with French grips, which helps me do fun things like back flicks, since the blades aren't as stiff.
The Vniti Max is just the M series stiff blades. See my comments above and in the other Vniti thread for my thoughts on them if interested.
Can you provide a link to other threads in which you talk about the Vniti M series? I wanted to know if someone on these forums has used one and can give a little review.
I use quite a few side-flicks, and the vnity really bends around parries well, and I haven't had trouble making the light go off (can't do a shoulder/back flick to save my life, though). I HAVE had trouble when people fleche, because they get so close it bends my sword up against their chest and grounds out, but I'm not sure that that's the vnity's fault.
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I'm looking for a blade that will help me fence my absolute best.
Then get a blade that you can hold while doing footwork drills. In other words, the blade is inconsequential.
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I think the advantage of the viniti is that it "grows with the fencer". When I first started, I had a viniti and it was stiff as hell. It didn't bend at all and that was fine for me-- i was a beginner. Over time, my game started to inprove and my actions required a more flicky blade-- I thought I'd need a new one,, but that wasn't the case at all. My viniti got flicky-er.
Other blades work in too. Vnitis just last long enough to work in more.
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Has anyone tried the new Vniti Max? I'm curious to see if they are good to get for someone who wants more point control.
Yes, it's a stiff Vniti.
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Can you provide a link to other threads in which you talk about the Vniti M series? I wanted to know if someone on these forums has used one and can give a little review.
It's like a Vniti, but stiffer.
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I use quite a few side-flicks, and the vnity really bends around parries well, and I haven't had trouble making the light go off (can't do a shoulder/back flick to save my life, though). I HAVE had trouble when people fleche, because they get so close it bends my sword up against their chest and grounds out, but I'm not sure that that's the vnity's fault.
Then get a blade that you can hold while doing footwork drills. In other words, the blade is inconsequential.
Other blades work in too. Vnitis just last long enough to work in more.
Yes, it's a stiff Vniti.
It's like a Vniti, but stiffer.
Check your tip tape.
QFT. Yes, I love my Vnitis. Yes, for my type of game they work wonderfully. No, it doesn't make me a better fencer. It doesn't let me do anything that I couldn't do with a different blade. It doesn't make my footwork or pointcontrol better. Sure, it makes things like flicks to the side off of a riposte easier, and I prefer the solid parries it provides for over other flexible blades. That being said, Eroo's right. It won't make you a better fencer.
The other questions, they really are as common sense as you guys think. Stiff blade means the point moves less. Max are stiff blades.
If your blade is grounding, either it's bent to crap (and you need to move more) or your tip tape is wonky. Re-tape.
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