Just a quick question. I got the Taiwanese flag along with stylized CTFA logos on my uniform (as can be seen in my avatar) and I was wondering, what are the legalities of these at tournies? I know the flag-on-the-back is illegal for FIE competition, but what about for USFA ones? Normally it wouldn't matter, because my foil lame covers my back, but I was thinking of getting the same job done on my new lame. I know I could dig it up in the rules, but I'm not really sure where to start, and more than that, when the rules really apply to where (we all know that a lot of local tournies are more lax than others, etc.).
Political pressure groups and leaders:
Definition Field Listing
Organization for Taiwan Nation Building; World United Formosans for Independence
other: environmental groups; independence movement; various business groups
note: debate on Taiwan independence has become acceptable within the mainstream of domestic politics on Taiwan; political liberalization and the increased representation of opposition parties in Taiwan's legislature have opened public debate on the island's national identity; a broad popular consensus has developed that the island currently enjoys sovereign independence and - whatever the ultimate outcome regarding reunification or independence - that Taiwan's people must have the deciding voice; public opinion polls consistently show a substantial majority of Taiwan people supports maintaining Taiwan's status quo for the foreseeable future; advocates of Taiwan independence oppose the stand that the island will eventually unify with mainland China; goals of the Taiwan independence movement include establishing a sovereign nation on Taiwan and entering the UN
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Okay, I'm still confused.
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The country is officially named the Republic of China. However. Since the people who run the Peoples Republic of China don't like that name (and have a very big army) generally accepted usage is to call, what is still officially, the Republic of China, Taiwan.
Thanks for the threadjack guys...I knew all that, thanks.
There are many countries with different acceptable names. We're one of them.
United States of America =
USA =
US =
U.S.A. =
U.S. =
United States =
America
Look at a map KidL, you'll generally see "Taiwan" on it, not "Republic of China" or "R.O.C."
Technically, according to the UN, neither are recognized as a country. In fact, IIRC, it's not recognized at all, or it's a part of China, oh, OOPS People's Republic of China. WTF would you want to call IT now?
I wouldn't be normally asking this question, but I looked at the FIE directing slideshow/picture thing regarding refereeing and rules interpretation, and several of the fencers had flags on their backs...this is what's making it so confusing to me. Did they JUST make a rule about no-flags, or are flags allowed up to a certain point in FIE-sanctioned tournies (similar to how wireless is only required at certain stages, or the visors, etc.)? I know some of the pics are outdated as far as certain technicalities, but I'm not sure what's what.
And than there's the whole OP.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Sorry for triple-post, but I don't feel so bad about it considering what Q's gotten away with in the Music topic, not to mention doubles and triples by others that occur occasionally.
Last edited by Timberwolf_CY; 11-06-2008 at 12:06 AM.
Reason: Appology for triple
Note: At USFA local, divisional, and sectional competitions,
there are no restrictions on colors or decorations on uniforms,
providing that the uniforms still comply with all other
requirements.
Officially, the name of political entity remains 'The Republic of China', but in popular usage, 'Taiwan' is very common in both English and Chinese usages.
Incidentally, Taiwan is not a country - it's a province of China.
The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
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Officially, the name of political entity remains 'The Republic of China', but in popular usage, 'Taiwan' is very common in both English and Chinese usages.
Incidentally, Taiwan is not a country - it's a province of China.
To China, Taiwan is a province of China. But go to Taiwan and say that and let's see how you're treated.
To China, Taiwan is a province of China. But go to Taiwan and say that and let's see how you're treated.
Actually, you might be surprised. The pro-independence faction is not in the majority, that's why the last President got voted out and a pro-mainland candidate is now President.
Mind, I'm speaking as a member of the Chinese diaspora with relatives on both sides of the straits. I speak fluent Mandarin Chinese and visit both Taiwan and the Mainland several times a year - I don't get any of my news from Western sources.
The response to a statement re being a province of China depends largely on what term is used for China, because there are two words for 'China' and both are usually simply translated 'China' in English. If 'zhongguo'/'china' is used, the response is largely positive- the people of Taiwan certainly view themselves as part of the Chinese nation at large. On the other hand, if 'zhonghua renmin gongheguo'/'people's republic of china' (i.e. Communist China), the response will be negative. It's a bit like how the White Russian emigres in the old days would react to being called Russian ('yes, of course') or Soviet ('absolutely not').
As for Taiwan being an example of a country that works, well, what can I say? If badly-faked presidental assasination attempts to gather sympathy votes on election eve, blatant corruption, shameless vote-rigging, disgraceful brawls in parliament involving fistfights and throwing chairs, panes et circences tactics et caetera are one's cup of tea... de gustibus non disputandum.
Actually, you might be surprised. The pro-independence faction is not in the majority, that's why the last President got voted out and a pro-mainland candidate is now President.
Mind, I'm speaking as a member of the Chinese diaspora with relatives on both sides of the straits. I speak fluent Mandarin Chinese and visit both Taiwan and the Mainland several times a year - I don't get any of my news from Western sources.
The response to a statement re being a province of China depends largely on what term is used for China, because there are two words for 'China' and both are usually simply translated 'China' in English. If 'zhongguo'/'china' is used, the response is largely positive- the people of Taiwan certainly view themselves as part of the Chinese nation at large. On the other hand, if 'zhonghua renmin gongheguo'/'people's republic of china' (i.e. Communist China), the response will be negative. It's a bit like how the White Russian emigres in the old days would react to being called Russian ('yes, of course') or Soviet ('absolutely not').
As for Taiwan being an example of a country that works, well, what can I say? If badly-faked presidental assasination attempts to gather sympathy votes on election eve, blatant corruption, shameless vote-rigging, disgraceful brawls in parliament involving fistfights and throwing chairs, panes et circences tactics et caetera are one's cup of tea... de gustibus non disputandum.
Trust me, I know what you mean. But just because many Taiwanese aren't quite pro "independence" doesn't mean that they want to be a Chinese "province." The status quo is a very complicated thing, which I'm sure you know.
And yes, Taiwan's government is definitely messed up. It makes American "corruption" seem like a joke. But China really isn't much better.
According to Montevideo Convention (part of the international law; international law is, indeed, a bunch of treaties, customary law, etc...), Taiwan is NOT a country because it does not meet the requirement of article 1.
ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.
taiwan does meet requirement a, b and c however it does not have the capacity to enter into relations with the other states because MOST states do not have official international relations with Taiwan.
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