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Array Obama WINS!! East Coast Results! West Coast Results!
OBAMA WINS!!! OBAMA WINS!!! OBAMA WINS!!! OBAMA WINS!!! OBAMA WINS!!! OBAMA WINS!!!!!
YES WE CAN!!!
I am so happy.
Ahhhh
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Array Congratulations USA!
I'm not a citizen of your nation, but I'm certain you have made the correct choice when electing Obama as your president.
In Sweden the media has reported lots from your election "circus". We've been able to follow the campaigns and "vote" for your president ourselves by answering a query with different questions. Had it been in Sweden, Barack would have won by a huge margin.
It is my personal belief that Barack Obama is the one who will have a chance of trying to save your countrys reputation worldwide. As much as we dislike it, unfortunately your presidency does have an effect on the rest of the world. Obama has a chance of doing good things for your nation.
Yes you can!
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Array Thanks for the vote of confidence zilver. I did not vote for Obama, but I certainly hope he does a good job. I wish I had your optimism -
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Array I voted for Nader so if by the off chance Obama turns out to actually be the Anti-Christ, I can say don't blame me, I voted for Nader. Besides, this is Cali. If we voted Mcain I'dve shat my pants. -
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Array No on 8 lost- yes on 8 is a hateful bill and I'm pissed at my state for passing it. It was a battle. (It was against gay marriage.) -
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Array Well, I stand by that I'm afraid Obama will pass too much through Congress with no restrictions. I don't think he was the safest choice (though, i was still unsure of my choice almost at the point of walking through the door to the polling place), though I think he does have the potential to be a damned good president. There were just too many "if's" in my mind to feel comfortable voting that way.
I certainly hope though that he does do well, and I think he may if he surrounds himself with people who will help him and who have a healthy amount of disagreeing with him. I'll be praying for him, and I hope he is sincere in his want to make change for the better here. EDIT: latenight put what I was trying to say a lot more eloquently in another thread... here's the quote:  Originally Posted by latenight I wont say I'm not disappointed. I believe John McCain is a great man, who could do a lot for his country(I supported him against Bush as well. One can only wonder how things would have been different under McCain rather than Bush.) I would ask that you give him the respect he is due. I will say I am ready to stand behind our new president, as I would hope those voting the other way would have if Sen. McCain had won. I have my beliefs, but I am open to being surprised. Honestly. If not, there is always 2012. But I truly hope we can accomplish great things...together(and I mean this).
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Array  Originally Posted by Westley No on 8 lost- yes on 8 is a hateful bill and I'm pissed at my state for passing it. It was a battle. (It was against gay marriage.) So it officially passed? That's too bad.... kinda surprising, too. I thought it was gonna crash and burn.... "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." -
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Array ..... America loses!
No one to blame your problems on now. -
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Array  Originally Posted by fencerchica Ohhhh, man....!!!!!  I can't even express how relieved I am. I couldn't believe it was real until Obama had finished his acceptance speech. Maybe we'll at least have a fighting chance now against total economic implosion and an endless, pointless quagmire in Iraq. I am a tiny bit optimistic. I think Obama is the right man for the job, but I think we're too ****ed to get un****ed quickly. Hopefully things go well enough he can stay in another 4 and really make a difference.
To his credit, McCain gave a very graceful concession speech. Did you notice how nasty his crowd was, though? I also got a snicker out of how brusque he was towards the First Dude. You could tell he loathes the guy, even if he may or may not like Palin herself. Perhaps we'll never know for sure, but I wonder if McCain had the Palins (and social conservatism) forced upon him by the RNC against his better judgment.
Great speech by Obama, also very graceful towards McCain, very frank about the next challenges we face. Obama's crowd was much more civil towards McCain.
It's easy to be gracious when you win. Also, I think McCain did have a certain tenor of (socially conservative) campaign forced upon him. -
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Array "Your victory has demonstrated that no person anywhere in the world should not dare to dream of wanting to change the world for a better place." Nelson Mandela to Obama. -
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Array  Originally Posted by erooMynohtnA It's easy to be gracious when you win. Also, I think McCain did have a certain tenor of (socially conservative) campaign forced upon him. I agree and lost a lot of respect for J.M. because of that. What happened to the guy that ran in 2000? It is like he sold out to the Bush-ites...
It is a shame what politics does to a person (and I can include Obama in that statement, as he was not pristine in how he ran his election either).
McCain's speach did help me gain some respect back. It was very gracious and classy.
R- "Some people are born great fencers, some people achieve fencing greatness, and some people have it thrust upon them."
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Array Agreed. McCain's crowd, though, was disgusting. Seriously. At least he himself gave a good speech and was gracious. Though, as friends of mine have pointed out, you can't run that aggressive and nasty of a campaign for so long and then expect the sentiment you stirred up to just disappear like nothing happened...
Here's hoping for an effective, bipartisan US government. Now who isObama going to put in his cabinet? "Preparation is the soul of tactics. And tactics are the soul of fencing."-Aladar Kogler -
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Array  Originally Posted by Beeblebrox ..... America loses!
No one to blame your problems on now. I suggest we all blame Beeblebrox. For everything. "Sometimes we, as coaches, get into that dictator mode where you just tell and you don't listen and you don't try to understand them." Tom Izzo, Mich. St.
"Fraud is the creation of trust. And then: its betrayal."
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Array  Originally Posted by Beeblebrox ..... America loses!
No one to blame your problems on now. Oh don't worry, American politicians are experts at finding people to blame. -
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Array ZZ, I love you, but there's one thing you seem to be forgetting. Our president is not elected to help the world- our president is elected to help the American people. In fact Jimmy Carter left office with a 39% approval rating, but was and still is very popular overseas.
Opinions abroad do not drive the economy, and in fact I think one of the very biggest differences regarding opinion of America now versus the opinion of America 10 years is that Americans aren't as nice to the international community as we used to be. Part of the reason for this is because of the image Jimmy Carter presented to the international community was one which was viewed as weak. This lead to people thinking we would not respond aggressively towards someone who wronged us. Now we live in a world where we suffered for the international community's perceived weakness of our foreign policy. And naturally we have lost most of our idealism, and the general spirit of can-do-ness we used to bring to the world.
All that aside, I think Obama will bring more good spirits to the international table than McCain would have, but that does not mean I endorse that as the best thing for America. -
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Array We live in a global community. What is good for the world is, by and large, good for America (and vice versa).
If America loses a my-dick-is-bigger-than-your-dick international bluffing contest because Obama's in charge, I could care less. But we won't, because we all know Obama's packing. -
 Originally Posted by Black Jeebus ZZ, I love you, but there's one thing you seem to be forgetting. Our president is not elected to help the world- our president is elected to help the American people. In fact Jimmy Carter left office with a 39% approval rating, but was and still is very popular overseas.
Opinions abroad do not drive the economy, and in fact I think one of the very biggest differences regarding opinion of America now versus the opinion of America 10 years is that Americans aren't as nice to the international community as we used to be. Part of the reason for this is because of the image Jimmy Carter presented to the international community was one which was viewed as weak. This lead to people thinking we would not respond aggressively towards someone who wronged us. Now we live in a world where we suffered for the international community's perceived weakness of our foreign policy. And naturally we have lost most of our idealism, and the general spirit of can-do-ness we used to bring to the world.
All that aside, I think Obama will bring more good spirits to the international table than McCain would have, but that does not mean I endorse that as the best thing for America. 39%? Well, that is certainly a lot higher than Bush is leaving office with, and he followed that "aggressive" foreign policy that you seem to think is essential.
Possibly being too aggressive is just as bad as being passive?
Aside from that, Carter was only president for 4 years. And if the rescue mission he sent to free the hostages in Iran hadn't been bungled by the military, Carter would have been a hero. Life is too complicated for overly simplistic assessments. - Wisdom is the knowledge of how much you don't know. -
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Array I'm glad that Obama won. And I think that McCain would have been a good president, 8 years ago. But I feel like he essentially sold his soul to try to become president. He abandoned his principles and jumped on the fear campaign started by the current president. "When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross." -
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Array  Originally Posted by Black Jeebus "... Part of the reason for this is because of the image Jimmy Carter presented to the international community was one which was viewed as weak. This lead to people thinking we would not respond aggressively towards someone who wronged us. Now we live in a world where we suffered for the international community's perceived weakness of our foreign policy. And naturally we have lost most of our idealism, and the general spirit of can-do-ness we used to bring to the world. ..." Carter was not forgiven for telling the American People crazy stuff like this: http://millercenter.org/scripps/arch...es/detail/3402
Obviously all of his successors had a better handle on things and got the job done. "a braggart, a rogue, a villaine that fights by the book of arithmatick. Why the dev'l came you betweene us?.." Similar Threads -
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