Your Daughter - Moms & Dads Please Read

[roxiered]

Did any of you Moms and Dads with Daughters Know This? If elected OBAMA will push for legislature to have your daughter register for the selective service ???!! (Combat for women ok too...)

Quote from article ---"But the two presidential candidates disagree on a key foundation of any future draft: Mr. Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register with the Selective Service, while Mr. McCain doesn't think women should have to register.

Also, Mr. Obama would consider officially opening combat positions to women. Mr. McCain would not."

Think twice before you pull that lever for Obama. I am NOT selling my daughter out. I was at a get-together this week-end where surprisingly many Moms & Dads were not aware of this.

I have officially made up my mind after learning this.

(Link here : http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287...=elections.xml

[TBean]

Did any of you Moms and Dads with Daughters Know This? If elected OBAMA will push for legislature to have your daughter register for the selective service ???!! (Combat for women ok too...)

Quote from article ---"But the two presidential candidates disagree on a key foundation of any future draft: Mr. Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register with the Selective Service, while Mr. McCain doesn't think women should have to register.

Also, Mr. Obama would consider officially opening combat positions to women. Mr. McCain would not."

Think twice before you pull that lever for Obama. I am NOT selling my daughter out. I was at a get-together this week-end where surprisingly many Moms & Dads were not aware of this.

I have officially made up my mind after learning this.

(Link here : http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287...=elections.xml

But it is okay to sell your son out? If a draft was reinstated why should we only ask our sons to serve? The truth is neither canidate wants to see a draft. Also, Obama will talk about opening combat positions up to women - that does not mean he will be successful. Your link also says that he does not favor combat positions for women who might be drafted. There are women in military careers who want to be able to go into combat so they can actually advance in their careers same as the men. Truthfully, I doubt it will ever happen that all combat positions can be opened to women but there is no reason to visit the issue.

[fencerchica]

I've always thought that it was unfair to men that women were not subject to selective service on an equal basis. And I'm currently in my twenties, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak.

[erooMynohtnA]

Think twice before you pull that lever for Obama. I am NOT selling my daughter out.

No, it sounds like you're slowly consigning her to a life of mediocrity behind her husband.

[Rabid Monk]

The first paragraph of that article:

Even as the U.S. confronts two long wars, neither Sen. John McCain nor Sen. Barack Obama believes the country should take the politically perilous step of reviving the military draft.

Emphasis mine.


Am I to understand that you want people to switch from supporting Obama to supporting McCain on the basis of a purely hypothetical situation?

You do realize that the Democrat and Republican policies are diametrically opposed on nearly every issue, right?

Do you really think Democrats will vote against almost every single one of their values due to one hypothetical statement wherein Obama supports equality of the sexes over discrimination?

[Fechter1]

Did any of you Moms and Dads with Daughters Know This? If elected OBAMA will push for legislature to have your daughter register for the selective service ???!! (Combat for women ok too...)

So you're actually arguing AGAINST gender equality?

I guess there are still some people who do not realize that equal rights means equal responsibilities.

Equal pay? Sure, as long as you have equal education/experience... And as long as men get the same options in terms of paternity leave/taking time off for kids etc.

Equal opportunity? Sure, as long as you meet the same basic requirements and pass the same (non-gender-normed) tests.


I fully support equal rights, regardless of gender, ethnicity, etc, but only if thei're accompanied by eual responsibilities.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Israel requires military service of all those not exempt. It seems to have worked decently for them. I don't believe that mandatory military service would work well in the US, but the mixture of men and women in both services proves that it can work. In time of war, it might have to.

Women currently in the service want the option of combat. They don't necessarily all want to do it themselves, but they do want the option. Senator Obama takes a larger view of service to your country, and has encouraged people to involve themselves, whether it's in the military, Americorps, the Peace Corps, or other options. This is not bad.

Let's compare this to the way John McCain and Sarah Palin would sign away the rights to my body.

Have you been raped? Have you had a close friend who was raped? A sister/daughter/mother/friend who was raped?

Better question: Do you know 8 other women? Because if you do, chances are pretty high you do know someone was raped, regardless of whether you know she was raped or not.

I believe that abortion is to be avoided at most costs for a multitude of reasons. That said, we cannot expect every woman to be on hormonal birth control so that just in case she is vaginally raped that she won't conceive. So there will be some women who are raped and impregnated.

I believe that in that case, it is up to the rape survivor, her family, friends, and medical professionals, to decide what is best for her. And because not every woman can stand up and prove that she was raped, not every woman can admit that she was raped, because not every community has an appropriate support system for women who survive rape, abortion must be safe and available.

Just one among many reasons I'm pro-choice--- I don't want to sell out my own reproductive rights, never mind the rights of others.

[Fechter1]

And because not every woman can stand up and prove that she was raped, not every woman can admit that she was raped, because not every community has an appropriate support system for women who survive rape, abortion must be safe and available.

I think that's what you were trying to say...

[roxiered]

Say what you want but ....


Concerned Moms & Dads will think twice before electing Obama who wants their daughters to register for the selective service.



- And Obama has stated he will seek legislation requiring girls to sign up for the selective service.

[Nospam]

When the time comes for all our daughters to register for the selective service thanks to Obama .... all the people who voted for Obama ;their daughters should go first.

[erooMynohtnA]

Say what you want but ....


Concerned Moms & Dads will think twice before electing Obama who wants their daughters to register for the selective service.



- And Obama has stated he will seek legislation requiring girls to sign up for the selective service.

When the time comes for all our daughters to register for the selective service thanks to Obama .... all the people who voted for Obama ;their daughters should go first.

Look, your daughters are not little flower princesses who will faint and die at the first sign of trouble. It's obvious you have a very low opinion of them, and I feel sorry for your children given your obvious lack of confidence in their abilities. God forbid they ever have to rise to a challenge in life, because you will not have prepared them for it.

[KidLazy]

Say what you want but ....


Concerned Moms & Dads will think twice before electing Obama who wants their daughters to register for the selective service.



- And Obama has stated he will seek legislation requiring girls to sign up for the selective service.

I hear this joke from my 84 years-old clubmate this past Wed. night at the club.

So there is this farmer, sick and tired of his neighbor borrowing stuff from him. So he decided not to loan anything to his neighbor again. One day his neighbor come by to borrow some rope.

Farmer "No, I am using the rope."
Neighbor "Using it for what?"
Farmer "Tie up my milk."
Neighbor "Tie up WHAT!?"
Farmer "Hey, when you made up your mind, any excuse is just as good as any other."


So you found your excuse... good for you.

[Zilverzmurfen]

Concerned Moms & Dads will think twice before electing Obama who wants their daughters to register for the selective service.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the US armed forces consists of people who voluntarily signed up for a military cereer?

As opposed to conscription, which is run at different levels of volunteerism in different countries. (Small example of very different takes on conscription: Sweden vs. Russia.)

[erooMynohtnA]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the US armed forces consists of people who voluntarily signed up for a military cereer?

As opposed to conscription, which is run at different levels of volunteerism in different countries. (Small example of very different takes on conscription: Sweden vs. Russia.)

Currently, the US military is comprised of volunteer forces (with a small percentage of join-the-army-or-go-to-jail "volunteers").

The draft is instituted in times of crisis to conscript people. Selective service registers you with whoever it is that would conscript you. Currently, only men need to register upon reaching the age of majority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_service

[Hauptman]

Say what you want but ....


Concerned Moms & Dads will think twice before electing Obama who wants their daughters to register for the selective service.



- And Obama has stated he will seek legislation requiring girls to sign up for the selective service.

You still haven't answered the question: how is it wrong for girls to sign up for selective service, but perfectly ok for boys?

At this point you sound like you're having a very emotional reaction to the issue, which is perfectly understandable. But trying to convince others without a well thought-out, rational explanation isn't going to get you far.

[Rabid Monk]

Say what you want but ....


Concerned Moms & Dads will think twice before electing Obama who wants their daughters to register for the selective service.



- And Obama has stated he will seek legislation requiring girls to sign up for the selective service.

And I ask you (again): Why would someone change from supporting Obama to supporting McCain (and thereby voting for the opposite of almost every platform they formerly supported) because of an answer to a HYPOTHETICAL scenario?



Remember: Obama is not saying he will bring in a draft. Both candidates are opposed to it. Implying otherwise as you are doing is highly dishonest.

And you think this is reason for people to abandon their political beliefs and vote for a party that is the opposite of the Democrats in almost every policy decision?
Republicans are still going to vote Republican, so I can only assume this is an attempt to convince Democrats to switch.

You seem convinced that Obama's answer to a scenario that is not going to happen (the draft) is a good reason for people to vote for a party that is diametrically opposed to all the things said Democrats hold dear.

Why?

[epeelion]

Concerned Moms & Dads will think twice before electing Obama who wants their daughters to register for the selective service.

Ah, so you're self-centered and sexist? Good to know. Anyone else who is self-centered and sexist please don't vote for Obama either.

Honestly, this is disgusting. Not only are you apparently ignoring every other relevant issue in favor of one which is relatively unimportant as of right now, but you are basically saying that it is ok for someone else's child to go to war but not ok for yours. And you are saying so particularly based not only on the fact that it is your own child (a somewhat understandable, if still terribly selfish reason), but on the fact that your child is a girl. That is highly selfish and immoral, as well as sexist. Bravo.

Sorry, I know I'm just parroting what everyone else has already said, but I just had to write something. This sickens me.

[bellakasumi]

As a teenage female in the United States, I think this is a good thing. This is equality, this is justice. Women want to be equal--and there are bad things and good things that come with that balancing of the scales. If there is a draft, I am just as capable of serving my country as any man, and should be forced to put my name in the lottery as much as him. It seems to me that Obama knows what equality really is.

You may not want to risk your daughter, and I understand that. It would be terrifying for a parent to take such a risk. Even so, take into account that while there's a possibility of a few years of misery, this, in the end, will lead to a brighter future.

[jeff]

Such a policy might even have the useful property of helping voters think more carefully and not select politicians who send young Americans to war without the most serious reasons. "Oh, it's my kid who has to go, instead of some stranger. Now I care".

Not that this really matters - conscription is darned unlikely to happen so this is nothing more than casting about for an excuse to vote against Obama, and then spreading some partisan fearmongering on top of it. I think draft-age people in my country will be much safer with Obama in the White House than the more bellicose McCain.

[lindajdunn]

About damn time we had equality in the military service! Women face many challenges trying to advance through the ranks and I know women who have already served in Iraq and been fired upon and then told they were never in combat. [Response: Next time, will you please tell the snipers that they're not allowed to shoot at me because I'm a frail woman?]

I have a son and a daughter as well as a grandson and grandaughter and I see no reason to discriminate against my female descendants.