10-15-2008, 06:07 AM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Referee Ratings - Accepted?
How are referees rated by the USFA? I mean...
I'm Hungarian and planning on moving to the USA. Here I have the qualifications as National 1st Class with the Hungarian Fencing Federation. I wonder how that correlated with the USA system, and if I could get my rating transferred to the USA. Is there any way to do that? | 
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10-15-2008, 08:34 AM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| Do you have an FIE rating? | |
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10-15-2008, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Nusy  How are referees rated by the USFA? I mean...
I'm Hungarian and planning on moving to the USA. Here I have the qualifications as National 1st Class with the Hungarian Fencing Federation. I wonder how that correlated with the USA system, and if I could get my rating transferred to the USA. Is there any way to do that? | Unless you have an FIE license, you will need to attend a referee instruction course given by a Certified Instructor. You will then need to take a written test.
4 sections, 60 questions General, 30 questions for each weapon.
You must pass the general and at least one weapon. Of course, you have to pass the test in each weapon to referee that weapon. Passing is 90% correct or better.
Once you have passed the written test, you need to be observed by an experienced referee, who can set your rating appropriately based on your performance. US ratings go from 1-10, with 1 being best and 10 being lowest. | 
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10-15-2008, 12:21 PM
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| You know, the ref test might present some problems for a non-native English speaker...since it presents problems for those of us who DO speak English. I'd advise you not to take the test for granted, regardless of level (although you can take it over without penalty). The study guide can be found here, from which all of the test questions are taken. | |
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10-15-2008, 01:53 PM
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| Beloit - no, here this level is the stuff you need to apply for FIE, so I'm one level under that.
I kinda have a hard time believing they won't accept this one, but whatevers, if I could take it once, I can take it twice... Just it's my damned third time, as I take a Basic one, a 1st Class one... I wanted FIE to be my next one, just for that I'd need major tournament experience that I yet lack, I was only reffing 30-50 fencer national events and my federation requires international tournaments as well.
But sure thanks for all information. | |
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10-15-2008, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nusy Beloit - no, here this level is the stuff you need to apply for FIE, so I'm one level under that.
I kinda have a hard time believing they won't accept this one, but whatevers, if I could take it once, I can take it twice... Just it's my damned third time, as I take a Basic one, a 1st Class one... I wanted FIE to be my next one, just for that I'd need major tournament experience that I yet lack, I was only reffing 30-50 fencer national events and my federation requires international tournaments as well.
But sure thanks for all information. | Just out of curiosity, what part of the US?
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10-15-2008, 03:31 PM
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| Epeemike - Fresno, CA. I'm moving to be with my fiance I_luv_saber. | |
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10-15-2008, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Nusy Beloit - no, here this level is the stuff you need to apply for FIE, so I'm one level under that.
I kinda have a hard time believing they won't accept this one, but whatevers, if I could take it once, I can take it twice... Just it's my damned third time, as I take a Basic one, a 1st Class one... I wanted FIE to be my next one, just for that I'd need major tournament experience that I yet lack, I was only reffing 30-50 fencer national events and my federation requires international tournaments as well.
But sure thanks for all information. | So it sounds like you'd be somewhere between a 3 and a 7 in the USFA, depending on what "national events" means. Of course, that's an awfully broad range.
What you're going to want to do is contact a Referee Instructor in your area which you move to (or see if one is coming to the area) and arrange to take the seminar with them. Yes, it will probably be mostly redundant to you, but you'll also have the opportunity to find out how we run tournaments, etc. Once you've gotten that out of the way, they should be able to let you take the test. The test question bank is at www.fencingofficials.org, so there's nothing you'll see on the test that isn't there.
Then you just need to referee here at a sufficiently high level to get your rating up through observation. | |
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10-15-2008, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Phrogger The study guide can be found here, from which all of the test questions are taken. | Does it exist a list of the correct answers? | |
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10-15-2008, 07:20 PM
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| No, you have to find the answers yourself, but studying the rulebook, and hopefully finding a mentor or two who are already rated referees.
Good luck guys.
I was going to take the seminar in KC early this October, but work screwed me and wouldn't give me the days off I needed (it wasn't just me either, I and at least 4 other cashiers had their requests for days off "rejected"), so I suppose I'll have to wait another year before I can become rated, since they only have one seminar in the KC/St. Louis combined areas once a year, usually. I'm starting to think that's better though, because I was having a really hard time finding time studying for the test and so on.
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10-15-2008, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ejemyr Does it exist a list of the correct answers? | Yes there is
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10-15-2008, 07:53 PM
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| Except the answers are not listed in the order of the questions. 
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10-15-2008, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by edew Except the answers are not listed in the order of the questions. :) | It used to be fairly close.
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