Has anyone got ALL of the footage?

[Gav]

Never really understood why people always ask for this bout of that bout... I'm interested in the whole shebang. In particular ME, but I like the whole sport of Fencing so am looking for copies of whatever people have recorded.

[ViewtifulMisho]

You can find the footage of the entirety of every event (although I have trouble finding Women's foil team) at the nbcolympics.com/video site:

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/pla...mul_au_l1788r2

You need MS Silverlight if you're using anything other than Internet Explorer. With IE, however, you can choose the option to not install the Silverlight plugin and still watch the videos.

Most events have 5 videos: one for each color strip up to the semifinals and one for the "finals strip." However, the labels are not as clear as my description so you have to click around (and sit through ads) a little bit.

Furthermore, with various apps and some grunt work, you can download all the streams, as I've done for MSI and MST.

I'm in the process of cutting them up and putting them on DVDs, although there is A LOT of video and unless I want each event on 5 disks, some of the quality must be sacrificed.

So far it's for my personal use only since it'll probably be illegal under some vague clause to distribute the footage, but I'm sure it'll be ok for me to share it with a few friends.

- Mike

[Lady Quindecim]

Hello, my friend.

[telkanuru]

Can you specify which apps will do the trick here?

[foillion]

Originally Posted by Lady Quindecim

Hello, my friend.

QFT

-P

[ViewtifulMisho]

Yeah, but it's slightly tricky to find a download for it and slightly tricky to use it.

The name of it is GetASFstream. If you need help, you can PM me your email address and when I have time I'll try to help out.

[Fencergrl]

Originally Posted by ViewtifulMisho

You can find the footage of the entirety of every event (although I have trouble finding Women's foil team) at the nbcolympics.com/video site:

NBC blocks non-US computers from accessing their Olympic coverage. Which is why I wasn't able to get it myself. CBC did not archive their live footage.

[ViewtifulMisho]

If you are in another country, you can use Ultra Surf (http://www.ultrareach.com/) to keep your IP information from revealing your location. (For FireFox, you also need to download an add-on available on the download page of their website as well as the application itself.) Allegedly, this lets you watch the nbcolympics.com videos. I can't speak as to what kind of video quality you get.

- Mike

[telkanuru]

Originally Posted by ViewtifulMisho

Yeah, but it's slightly tricky to find a download for it and slightly tricky to use it.

The name of it is GetASFstream. If you need help, you can PM me your email address and when I have time I'll try to help out.

Slightly tricky to use... yeah understatement much

PM'd

[Patrician]

I hate NBC for restricting the damn video thing to US citizens. But whatever, I'm using a proxy

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by Patrician

I hate NBC for restricting the damn video thing to US citizens. But whatever, I'm using a proxy

They only had US broadcast rights.

-B

[arc]

Originally Posted by ViewtifulMisho

So far it's for my personal use only since it'll probably be illegal under some vague clause to distribute the footage, but I'm sure it'll be ok for me to share it with a few friends.

Guess again. Take a gander at 17 U.S.C. Sec. 501 et seq., particularly Section 503 of the Copyright Act, which provides for statutory damages of not less than $750 and not more than $30,000 for each act of infringement regardless as to whether the infringement is for profit; if a court determines the infringement to be done "willfully", the upper end is raised to $150,000.

That's in addition to injunctive relief as well as seizure and destruction of the infringing copies, plus costs and attorney's fees. And those are just the civil remedies.

Section 506 of the Act provides for criminal penalties for infringement for (a) purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain; (b) by reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or (c) by distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution. The penalty for violation is contained in 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2319, and varies depending on which subsection is violated, but ranges (based on the particular facts of a case) from up to a year in federal prison to up to ten years in federal prison, plus a fine.

You'll note that under test (b), the infringement doesn't have to be for profit; the willful making of copies of aggregate value of $1,000 (with that figure heavily influenced by the copyright holder, in the case of works that aren't generally availabe through retail channels) is sufficient to constitute a criminal offense.

And I'll point out that the post could be used as evidence in a criminal trial ...

General disclaimer: I am a practicing intellectual property attorney, licensed in Texas. My comments are not intended to be legal advice outside this jurisdiction, and if you desire legal advice regarding these matters, you should cconsult with an attorney in your jurisdiction of residence.

[oso97]

Short answer.

The concept of "fair use" has been removed from copyright law, particularly as it partains to digital works.

[sjkontos]

Originally Posted by oso97

Short answer.

The concept of "fair use" has been removed from copyright law, particularly as it partains to digital works.

I believe fair use still exists in copyright law, but you're right that this would not be a valid "fair use" of the work.

(I, too, am an IP attorney, but as ARC said, this is not legal advice.)

[arc]

Originally Posted by oso97

Short answer.

The concept of "fair use" has been removed from copyright law, particularly as it partains to digital works.

No, the "fair use" doctrine is still codified as a defense to infringement at 17 USC 107, which provides:

§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include--

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

Now, one will note that the test is intended to be somewhat fuzzy and malleable to be applied on a case-by-case basis; from the factors listed, though, the copying of the entirety of a work is rarely, if ever, determined to be a fair use. The fact that a work may be in digital format can be a factor to be considered (ease of pirating, etc.), but simply because it's digital doesn't mean fair use rights don't apply. An example would be stores like the old CDNOW (now Amazon Music), which have short samples of songs from album for sale, so that a purchaser may determine if that album contains the desired tracks.

[Neinteen]

Saber from torrents, not foil or epee. Better than nothing.

[Hobbes]

Originally Posted by Neinteen

Saber from torrents, not foil or epee. Better than nothing.

Tool is a good band... maybe I will look into that.