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    Quote Originally Posted by HDG View Post
    That still doesn't speak to the sense of timing, which I believe was the OP's concern.
    My point from the very beginning is that a strong sense of timing with a weaker ability to perform is not going to be as effective as the reverse. As well, once you have the strong ability to perform, you should naturally begin to learn or relearn timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Butler View Post
    My point from the very beginning is that a strong sense of timing with a weaker ability to perform is not going to be as effective as the reverse. As well, once you have the strong ability to perform, you should naturally begin to learn or relearn timing.
    Ehm, no?

    Think of it like this. There's this girl who wants to learn balett and of course it takes quite the physical strength to become good and she really needs to have strong legs which she does, but she loses her timing all the time, her pace is sometimes completely off. What she needs to work on is her timing, not her physical strength. It's THAT kind of timing, like HDG said, the sense of timing. This is my take on it anyway.

    A lot of timing there but whatever, you know what I mean

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    I don't want to belabor the point, but you haven't contradicted anything that I said.

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    Yes I have. My point, in contrast to yours, is that its not about having an improved strength but rather to improve his sense of timing. Am I correct?

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    We aren't talking about an Olympic fencer returning from Beijing here. If you cannot see that a person who is returning to fencing after a lay-off is most likely experiencing timing problems because of his lack of practice, strength, reflexes and reaction time, then I think that I am done with this debate.

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    As a fencer who is returning from a 1 year break and experiencing some problems with timing, it's more that I've forgotten how to see the timing I want to hit than the fact that I'm lacking the physical ability to do so. Physically, I was at 100% after maybe 2 months of training. I'm still at only about 75% of my mental game after 4 months.

    So, I'm going to agree with the above. Physical conditioning has nil to do with it.

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    But still Sean, its NOT about having the strength and reaction time but rather the Sense of timing and how to regain that "flow".

    Just my 2c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    As a fencer who is returning from a 1 year break and experiencing some problems with timing, it's more that I've forgotten how to see the timing I want to hit than the fact that I'm lacking the physical ability to do so. Physically, I was at 100% after maybe 2 months of training. I'm still at only about 75% of my mental game after 4 months.

    So, I'm going to agree with the above. Physical conditioning has nil to do with it.
    I am not saying that you are wrong, telkanuru. But notice that you spent 2 months to get yourself back into condition to be good at timing. All I am saying in this whole thread is: GOOD CHOICE!

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    But still Sean, its NOT about having the strength and reaction time but rather the Sense of timing and how to regain that "flow".

    Just my 2c.
    Here is my two cents...

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    i got it back . Im fencing great now but i didnt try anything but worked out my legs

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    I disagree with sean here. Over the summer I've been doing a lot of physical conditioning and I'm stronger and faster that I was last season - still, since I took a few weeks off of fencing my timing is not what it used to be.

    By 'timing' people refer to both speed and distance and I find myself getting hit with straight attacks that I could normally parry just because I don't "feel" the action like I do when I have been fencing a lot.

    I'm sure there are some exercises you can do for this but bouting is one of the best ways to redevelop your sense of timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telkanuru View Post
    Knock Knock

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    Somebody rep him for me, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dev View Post
    Somebody rep him for me, please.
    True, it was funny. But the geek factor really offset it, doncha think?

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    The geek factor is what made it totally awsome, duh.
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