Flick preventing point

[To_The_Point]

Does anyone know if anyone is developing a point that won't register if the sword is flicked? Thanks

[HDG]

Does anyone know if anyone is developing a point that won't register if the sword is flicked? Thanks

I wouldn't think that there would be much of a market…

[To_The_Point]

Make it manditory for USFA and FIE events so people will stop their silly flicking....

[HDG]

You won't find much sympathy around here for that position.

[wahrman]

or you can learn to stop getting hit by their silly flicks.

[To_The_Point]

O I know there are a lot of "weapon" fencers around here, not that I care.

I take appreciation in a good hit that if a sharp sword was being used would mortaly wound, not put a scratch on someone. I'm a sword fencer.

[HDG]

I'm a sword fencer.

No, you're a troll.

[To_The_Point]

Nope, I just enjoy fencing with a sword.

[Purple Fencer]

The changes in the debounce timea couple of years back HAVE limited the flick...you still have to put the point on and keep it depressed for at least 15ms...I know of some fencers who pretty much lost their entire game when the timings changed.

And really....the oft used comparison of sport fencing to combat with a deadly weapon is VERY inapt....sport fencing is electronic tag with the aim of scoring more points than the other guy within the context of the rules of hte sport....it's not training for combat (for all that the rules CAME from that area)...don't over-romanticise it.

[To_The_Point]

I'm not romantisizing it.

To me fencing isn't about getting the machine to register a hit. I don't take the easy way out.

If electric was never invented very few flicks would ever happen...

Besides, flicking was just a way to take advantage of a system meant to make the scoring easier and more fair.

[seven6ty]

Then uhhh, why are you posting on a sport fencing board? I just think the point you're trying to make would be lost on the audience on this board.

[To_The_Point]

Sport fencing is not exclusive to the "anything for a point" crowd. If you don't have anything constructive to say don't post on this thread then. Thank you.

[Pescados666]

You fence epee, right? Epee is based on dueling, right? Duels took place until the first blood, right? So a hit by a point for 15ms at 750+ grams should be enough to draw blood, right? So flicking in epee shouldn't be a problem, right? Amirite?
Like it's been said, it's hard to flick with the new timings. I myself feel proud of my flick to the back in preparation

[erooMynohtnA]

You know, Minnesota, Michigan, Iowa, and Illinois are wonderful states. Please reconsider your residence.

[To_The_Point]

You fence epee, right? Epee is based on dueling, right? Duels took place until the first blood, right? So a hit by a point for 15ms at 750+ grams should be enough to draw blood, right? So flicking in epee shouldn't be a problem, right? Amirite?
Like it's been said, it's hard to flick with the new timings. I myself feel proud of my flick to the back in preparation

Nope. Dueling isn't always to first blood, but that was a common codition of it. But not all duels were to first blood.

[erooMynohtnA]

Not all duels were fought with swords either. Go buy a gun and bother target shooters instead.

[mrbiggs]

I'm just going to go through point for point and let you know why you're wrong.

Does anyone know if anyone is developing a point that won't register if the sword is flicked? Thanks

Impossible. A good enough flick will land with the point straight on the target. In fact, a good flick will often hit in a more "straight" way than a proper extension--hence the frustration in the early days of the new timings when two fencers would attack, the flicker would get a light and the extender would not.

Make it manditory for USFA and FIE events so people will stop their silly flicking....

I haven't heard of a way to stop flicking while allowing straight hits besides making the blades less flexible (which is a safety concern). So while this isn't "impossible", a good number of smart people have tried and failed to implement a system that prevents any flicking.

O I know there are a lot of "weapon" fencers around here, not that I care.

I take appreciation in a good hit that if a sharp sword was being used would mortaly wound, not put a scratch on someone. I'm a sword fencer.

How do you determine what would and would not mortally wound? It seems to me like you're just making it up by yourself.

We already have a system to determine what is and is not a good hit. It's called right of way. If you don't like it, you should probably have a pretty good reason as it was invented while duels were not simply used by bitter fencers as an excuse for losing. Granted, right of way has changed somewhat over the years, but the general principles remain.

Nope, I just enjoy fencing with a sword.

This doesn't mean anything. You don't have a sword. You have a foil (or epee). If you want to fence with a sword, put on armor and have fun with other "sword" fencers arguing about who should or should not be dead. Meanwhile, I'll fence.

I'm not romantisizing it.

To me fencing isn't about getting the machine to register a hit. I don't take the easy way out.

Haha. So you take the hard way out? You make a hit in the most difficult way possible?

I don't think that people would do that if they were sharp.

If electric was never invented very few flicks would ever happen...

You're right, hits would be judged based on politics and reputation. Too bad we have a fair system to decide them now.

Besides, flicking was just a way to take advantage of a system meant to make the scoring easier and more fair.

True. But they're here and they're probably here to stay. The good news for folks like you is that they are trivially easy to counter in modern foil. In epee it's a bit more difficult, but epee was never about mortal hits anyway, and I've heard fairly convincing arguments that epee hits are actually very true to actions done during duels.

[Pescados666]

Nope. Dueling isn't always to first blood, but that was a common codition of it. But not all duels were to first blood.

Yes, there were some to the death and until they could no longer duel, but unless you manage to sever veins in their wrist without them noticing, they won't die then. If I brought up that point, then I couldn't have said ",right?" at the end.

[Neinteen]

No, you're a troll.

QFT.

Amirite?

Yup.

[seven6ty]

Sport fencing is not exclusive to the "anything for a point" crowd. If you don't have anything constructive to say don't post on this thread then. Thank you.

Have I missed the constructive input you've given? I just see seven posts from you complaining.