The hypocrisy which this baby thing reveals about the Palins and the religious right's advocacy of exclusively "abstinence-only" sex education is bad enough. But seriously, it's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how unqualified Palin is for VP.
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government [...] And I won't be buried under their damn flag [...] And then you get mad. And you say, the hell with them. And you renounce allegiance, and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life to Alaska." --Alaska Independence Party founder Joe Vogler, 1991
Sarah Palin's husband was a member of this group for 7 years. Palin herself attended their annual conventions in 1994 and 2000. And she addressed its convention this year.
The hypocrisy which this baby thing reveals about the Palins and the religious right's advocacy of exclusively "abstinence-only" sex education is bad enough. But seriously, it's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how unqualified Palin is for VP.
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government [...] And I won't be buried under their damn flag [...] And then you get mad. And you say, the hell with them. And you renounce allegiance, and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life to Alaska." --Alaska Independence Party founder Joe Vogler, 1991
Sarah Palin's husband was a member of this group for 7 years. Palin herself attended their annual conventions in 1994 and 2000. And she addressed its convention this year.
After the backlash from the allegations that Palin's daughter Bristol was actually the mother of Trig and that Sarah was lying to cover her daughter's unmarried pregnancy died down, I decided that it might be a good idea not to fuel any internet stories that didn't have factual evidence to substantiate it (and esp. evidence that could not have been photoshoped).
Thus far, all I have seen and all anyone I know has seen is a YouTube video from where she attended the convention when it was held in the city where she was mayor. There is evidence that her husband was a member until 2002 or so but there's nothing to prove that she was also a member. The group claims it, but they've no hard evidence and her official line is that she denies it.
I would personally love to see hard evidence found to prove that she lied but at this stage of the game, I'm not jumping on any bandwagons without full evidence.
I note that I'm still dealing with people who think Obama was born outside the US and his online birth certificate was photoshopped. Sigh! The wonderful thing about the internet is that so much is there. The bad thing about the internet is that so much is faked that it's hard to prove the truth.
You're drawing the wrong conclusion here. Obama was part of a specific congregation that, correctly or incorrectly, many people believe is rather extreme...not in terms of specific religious beliefs, but rather professed political ideology.
Turns out Palin is part of a specific congregation that, correctly or incorrectly, many Jews believe is rather extreme.
You see, on August 17th, her church was opened up to a guy from Jews For Jesus to give a sermon. Jews for Jesus isn't very popular with the Jews for... Jews. In fact, the group has been denounced by all the major Jewish groups.
Does it matter whether or not Palin believes this? Well, not to the large numbers of Jews who were somewhat on the fence before. It was bad enough that she's got evangelical ties. Even the rumour that she was friendly with people who were friendly with this group is damaging.
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Thus far, all I have seen and all anyone I know has seen is a YouTube video from where she attended the convention when it was held in the city where she was mayor. There is evidence that her husband was a member until 2002 or so but there's nothing to prove that she was also a member. The group claims it, but they've no hard evidence and her official line is that she denies it.
I think what you're saying is that because Obama has been slimed by faked stories, you want to be fair to the Republicans because you feel it's the right thing to do. I respect that sentiment, but I fear that you and many Dems are falling into a trap laid by the GOP slime machine and baited with your own good intentions.
Claims that Sarah Palin was a member of the AIP were made early on but have since been retracted by everyone except the group itself. The point is that while not necessarily a member herself, she has been giving public support to a group which explicitly renounces the US Constitution -- despite the fact that she has been sworn to uphold the same. I think the evidence is adequate: Not only do you have the fact of her husband's membership (which would be good enough for the GOP slime machine were it Obama's wife's membership) but also there are the multiple witnesses to her presence at the '94 AIP convention, the admission that she visited their '00 convention, and then the video of her address this year during her governorship of AK, where she expresses her support for their agenda. Actually, the AIP has historically been a nearly mainstream "conservative" party in AK, and some past governors have openly been members, but that speaks less well of Palin than it does ill of the "conservative" politicians up there.
FWIU, the AIP has some nutty positions--but it's also worked as a place for Alaska Republicans disaffected by too moderate candidates. In 1990, the AIP candidate for Governor was elected (he had previosuly been a Republican Governor, and just before leaving office switched back to Republican and never endorsed the seccessionist beliefs).
OTOH, if it was fair to tar Michelle Oboma as hating the US, then I guess it's fair to go after Todd Palin for belonging to a party with rhetoric that could be used to support a "hates America" kind of thing.
Not a big deal, to my mind--but I think there are more substantive objections to Palin.
Wait... you guys still talking about political issues!?
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Here is something I don't get.
Why not just release her medical record to prove Trig is her son?
Why out your own daughter in public while everyone is watching?
I thought parents are suppose to protect their children at all cost... instead she pushs her daughter out to protect herself.
What kind of person would sacrifice her own child's life to protect her own interest?
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Wait... you guys still talking about political issues!?
What kind of person would sacrifice her own child's life to protect her own interest?
I'm not sure what your point is.
Her daughter is pregnant. That fact was fairly well known in Alaska. It was going to come out. (I've seen some indication that the National Enquirer was going to break the story, anyway).
The only with issue with it was the timing.
To my mind, it probably would have been better to have released it contemporaneously with the announcement of her as VP--but given the apparent speed the choiice came, it didn't get done.
She could have simply release her medical record, name dozens witnesses (nurses, doctors, drivers, etc.) to prove Trig is her son, and say "the buck stops here, leave my kids alone; they are not part of this, if you got issues take them up to me." Instead, she, to protect herself from the rumor, offered her daughter up as an embarrasment to be scrutinize by everyone.
It would probably come out later anyway, but... mother rat out her own kid...
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Sarah Palin's husband was a member of this group for 7 years. Palin herself attended their annual conventions in 1994 and 2000. And she addressed its convention this year.
Awesome...so, because Barack Obama supports Planned Parenthood, and has spoken at their events, he supports the extreme views of its founder:
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A stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.
Man...what a racist. She even spoke to members of the KKK at one of their rallies, so obviously she must have supported their positions, right? It's not like she could have had ulterior motives....just like Sarah Palin, politician, may have gone to an AIP meeting to get a few extra votes/political backing?
Let alone the complete lack of media investigation into his shady dealings with Rezko, obtaining millions of dollars in earmarks for the hospital that employed his wife (and gave her huge raises in return), and his personal and professional relations with admitted, unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Glad to see Obama has brought "Hope and Change" to all the other (few) government jobs he's held He's done so well bringing reform to the system, his track record is above reproach! lol
As for Palin's effects on the Jewish vote, I don't think she'll be a big factor. The voting block is already pretty reliably liberal, although I can't figure out for the life of me why they would be with the crap the Democratic party dumps on them.
She could have simply release her medical record, name dozens witnesses (nurses, doctors, drivers, etc.) to prove Trig is her son, and say "the buck stops here, leave my kids alone; they are not part of this, if you got issues take them up to me." Instead, she, to protect herself from the rumor, offered her daughter up as an embarrasment to be scrutinize by everyone.
It would probably come out later anyway, but... mother rat out her own kid...
Are you seriously saying Palin has any sort of blame here? Because some extreme left-wing blog posts some totally unsubstantiated claims about the birth of Palin's child, the burden of proof is on her to disprove the allegations? What about the ethical responsibilities of journalists to not run/promote stories with no evidence?
Barack Obama isn't actually the father of his two "children", they are actually....heck, I can't even do it in jest, it's so ridiculous. Assuming I did made some accusation, would you honestly expect Obama to publicly release their birth certificates, track down hospital staff for sworn statements, etc? Should he? Heck no!
Awesome...so, because Barack Obama supports Planned Parenthood, and has spoken at their events, he supports the extreme views of its founder:
Quote from Margaret Sanger: 1932
Quote from Joe Volger: 1991
One of these is not like the other.
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just like Sarah Palin, politician, may have gone to an AIP meeting to get a few extra votes/political backing?
Yeah right -- or two... or three... and given that she was married to a seven-year member of the AIP, there's no way she could have been unaware of the radical nature of their platform.
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Let alone the complete lack of media investigation into his shady dealings with Rezko
I'm so sick of this B.S., especially coming from the highest-paid member of the Keating Five. (And your claim that the media hasn't investigated is ludicrous.) The Obamas paid Rita Rezko market value for the strip of land in question, and Rita later sold the remaining parcel at a profit. There's no evidence of anything shady going on, and this all happened prior to Tony Rezko's conviction. See the link for details.
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and his personal and professional relations with admitted, unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers
Ah yes, that eight-year-old Barack, what a rabblerouser!
Palin slashed funding for teenage moms while Governor. I am not surprised.
I caught a glimpse of television tonight and noticed her daughter's boyfriend was referred to as "her daughter's husband to be" and this reminded me of the aftermath of Katrina wherein two near identical pictures were compared and where one showed a white couple wading through water with groceries, it noted they were salvaging food; where the black people were wading through water with groceries, they were looting.
Pregnant girls from upper class families have husbands-to-be. Pregnant girls from the inner city have boyfriends. Or maybe just their baby's daddy.
You're not surprised because it's what you're expecting (wanting?) to hear, just like the reporter in the story that didn't actual do any research into the topic because it fit the narrative that he wanted to continue.
In fact, you'll note that the amounts list on the sheet are funding for the EXPANSION of the program, and while the amount of ADDITIONAL funding was reduced, Palin overall still INCREASED the amount of funding to the program. How much?
Contributions $1,667,796
Government Grants $1,194,788
Program Services $0
Investments $67,947
Special Events $271,980
Sales $0
Other $11,139
Total Revenue $3,213,650
Gov. Palin didn’t slash anything from anybody. In fact, it seems that cutting from $5.0MM (Proposed) to $3.9MM (actual) wasn’t too bad a deal for Covenant House Alaska, seeing that in 2006 their revenue from the govt was only $1.2MM.
Pregnant girls from upper class families have husbands-to-be. Pregnant girls from the inner city have boyfriends. Or maybe just their baby's daddy.
Point: There is a difference between baby's daddy and baby-daddy. Baby's daddy can be used to mean "the father of my children"... it isn't always, it's often synonymous with "baby daddy"... but with enough context, they can be different. Baby-Daddy is the guy who got you pregnant and sometimes remembers to send child support. The top definitions on urbandictionary are, if anything, less positive.
But in the world of Fox News, you don't have to be a poor inner city teenaged black girl to have a baby daddy. Poised, well educated, MARRIED black women have baby daddies.
And don't worry. There's a story refering to Levi as Bristol's baby daddy too. If still a trashy phrase, it's at least slightly closer.
Oh, and by the way, while the Republican pundits are claiming that the mudslinging is only happening one way (c'mon people, there's plenty of mud all around....), and claiming they don't remember Chelsea Clinton being attacked, let's keep in mind this really funny joke:
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father". -John McCain, 1998
I'm sick of all of it. Really.
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Anyone else tired of this bull? I side with the Democrats on the bulk of the major issues today, and I plan on voting for Obama. But I still don't see how Palin's daughter has anything to do with the election.
Yes, Palin is anti-abortion, pro-abstinence, and probably opposed any similar legislation that ever came across her desk. But I don't see what this has to do with her daughter. She is not her daughter. She cannot control her daughter, nor prevent her from getting pregnant. Now that her daughter is pregnant, they've taken the action which is entirely consistent with Palin's beliefs, and decided to get married and raise the child.
Where's the hypocrisy there?
Or, more importantly, what the heck was Palin supposed to DO to avoid this? Not have a daughter? Keep her daughter in the basement? Not try to become vice president? Why is the assumption that this birth is something that Palin supports and endorses? I'm pretty sure that even a very liberal set of parents wouldn't support their 17 year old daughter having a child. Kids do stupid things. Sometimes this results in a child. This is not the parents' fault, nor is it the Republican's fault. It's their own damn fault.
Do you argue that the modest expansion of Covenant House funding is keeping up with changing rates of demand (I fear demand for this as for all social services may go up as the economy goes down); satisfying current demand; in keeping with Palin's political positions on abortion and contraceptives?
As for Palin not slashing anything from anybody: From one perspective this could be true for Covenant House (god what a creepy name) but she slashed the budget for special needs kids by 62%. I don't have any knowledge of how this relates to demand in Alaska for special-needs services but it would appear to be forming a pattern. What I am curious about now is where the savings went to. I believe she was dealing with some budget shortfalls; I wonder if that was where it went to, or if other programs expanded.
As for Palin not slashing anything from anybody: From one perspective this could be true for Covenant House (god what a creepy name) but she slashed the budget for special needs kids by 62%. I don't have any knowledge of how this relates to demand in Alaska for special-needs services but it would appear to be forming a pattern. What I am curious about now is where the savings went to. I believe she was dealing with some budget shortfalls; I wonder if that was where it went to, or if other programs expanded.
From what I've seen thus far, it appears there is a lawsuit (or was a lawsuit or threat of a lawsuit) over pension mismanagement, leaving the state with a severe shortfall. I note that this should have occurred prior to her taking office.
I doubt Alaska is the only state that underfunded state pension plans.
Why? Obama and Biden have both been outspoken from the beginning that family should be off limits (generous from them considering how much flak Michelle Obama has been receiving, and how much Hillary and Chelsea received during Bill Clinton's campaigns).
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