If you believe the press release from her own office, the labor started in Texas. Her office. Not what the left is constructing after the fact, what her office said at the time. Sure it could be wrong, but I think we get to believe that what her office says can be believed unless we get other evidence.
The medical risk for flying while pregnant is low, sure. But the medical risk of having a preemie DS baby --- remember, there's a fifty fifty chance the baby will have some sort of heart problem JUST with the DS, and probably a bump in that chance giving birth prematurely ---- the medical risk of having that baby somewhere without a NICU is unfortunate in areas where it has to happen, and DUMB if she drives past a great hospital, and 40 miles later picks a much smaller hospital without the bells and whistles.
That's the error in judgement.
Define labor. 20 plus years ago, my wife was in labor for 3 days. Not serious labor, but we made the trip to the OB/GYN's office on Friday, twice on Monday, and her water finally broke at 1am on Tuesday, our son was born 10 hours later, 2 weeks before his due date.
By the way, we drove past several hospitals, including the leading research hospital in the area, to go to our choice. And while she wasn't as high risk as Gov. Palin, she was definitely in the high risk group for the time (35+, 1st pregnancy, 2 miscarriages, history of extremely low blood pressure, and a number of reproductive system "issues.")
So you're saying that we showed bad judgment?
Meh. I don't think you have the basis to make that call.
And, by the way, the disparaging remarks about Obama being "elitist," the coded references to his ethnicity that flood Fox TV, and, yes, even CNN, the persistent "Obama is a muslim" rumor (not that I care - Muslims are, in the overwhelming majority, fine people), and the fear-mongering of the right on all of these issues give me the absolute right to assert that Sarah Palin is pretty low-class (ok, I'll be blunt, trailer trash).
Kinda like the homecoming queen at my southern high school who, by age 40 or so, had about 8 kids and lived in a double-wide in Alabama and had "redneck twins" - which are child and grandchild born in the same calendar year.
I grew up with folks like this - that's what scares the bejeezus out of me.
I don't have a problem fighting fire with fire on this score. I'm as scared of the country being run by pentacostal trailer trash as they are of having the black guy run it.
Hmm, I wonder if there is a possibility of giving you negative rep...
If you consider Sarah Palin low class, trailer trash, then I wonder what you would think of my family?
Strike that. I find that I really don't give a D#mn what you think...
Hmm, I wonder if there is a possibility of giving you negative rep...
If you consider Sarah Palin low class, trailer trash, then I wonder what you would think of my family?
Strike that. I find that I really don't give a D#mn what you think...
Is anyone in your family trying to become the Vice President? Probably not. A person opens themselves up to scrutiny and criticism when they seek to take on a leadership role. She's a public figure (as is her family - they keep showing up on the dais with her) and they're fair game.
Certainly, had the tables been turned, Karl Rove and his merry band of smear-mongers would have hoisted whomever it was, their families, their communities, their pets and their minister up on their petards.
What you do, how you live, what you believe and your family is your own damn business. However, when one enters the ring of political theatre, all bets are off - whether we like it or not. It's been that way for many more years than either of us have been alive and it will continue to be that way.
I'm rather confident that, if I were running for public office - my religious beliefs (or lack thereof), my gay friends, my kids, my mom's background, my wife's family's background, my dogs' pedigrees (or definite lack thereof), etc., would be examined ad nauseam. That's the game. To expect any less is fantasy - particularly after Karl Rove has used such innuendo so mercilessly for 20 plus years.
The problem is that, to the right - when the left does it, it is a sign of a deep-running moral failure and bankruptcy, but when one in their community does, it is a "mistake" because they're imperfect. Can you say double-standard!
I stand by my statement that the McCain campaign will continue make Jeff Foxworthy proud. Here's to the Juno of Juneau!
So Obama's polls numbers were flat after the convention. A candidate usually gets a nice bump after a convention, no matter how they are doing otherwise.
That leads me to think that either he's already peaked, or that the news about Palin just stole his thunder. I sincerely doubt he's peaked, as some people haven't started paying attention yet, and some of those will surely come to prefer him. So I'm guessing the Palin choice stole his thunder.
And the new media brouhaha over her daughter's delicate condition stole even more attention. The McCain campaign effectively defused it with a "so?" response (which is what Bill Clinton should have done with the whole Monica thing, btw). And Obama rightly took the high road saying it shouldn't be attacked by his supporters. But the cameras are still on Palin, and the headlines still bear her name instead of his.
So I wonder what the Obama campaign's going to do, to stop its headliner from getting overshadowed by the other side's veep. He's gotta do SOMEthing. Think he'll wait to do it at the end of the RNC convention, like they did to him?
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Define labor. 20 plus years ago, my wife was in labor for 3 days. Not serious labor, but we made the trip to the OB/GYN's office on Friday, twice on Monday, and her water finally broke at 1am on Tuesday, our son was born 10 hours later, 2 weeks before his due date.
By the way, we drove past several hospitals, including the leading research hospital in the area, to go to our choice. And while she wasn't as high risk as Gov. Palin, she was definitely in the high risk group for the time (35+, 1st pregnancy, 2 miscarriages, history of extremely low blood pressure, and a number of reproductive system "issues.")
So you're saying that we showed bad judgment?
Meh. I don't think you have the basis to make that call.
Define labor?? How about we ask her. Her office. Of course, since she didn't see a doctor while she was in Texas, asking her or her office won't probably be able to give us enough information to satisfy everyone. Sure she called a doctor, but I don't consider that the same thing, not when a high risk birth is what's going on.
I think I may have said this before, but there may be information we don't have. As was otherwise suggested, her doctor might have told her to go to the smaller hospital for some valid medical reason. She might have enjoyed better privacy there, they might have made specific preparations for her. She might not have been in "real" labor in Texas in the first place, despite what her office released. It's certainly possible that with more information, I would change my mind.
Given the information I have, I think it was a dumb choice. I also don't think I have all of the information. Given more information, I expect to eventually personally find her decision dumb, but also understandable.
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I would have agreed with you if Huckabee won. The fact that he did so well was a bit disturbing to me, too. Thankfully, while the Christian right is a major factor in the Republican party (stronger than I'd like), the fact that Huckabee lost fairly quickly is still a good indicator that the majority of the party is still based on economic, foreign policy and constitutional issues and not social ones.
Huckabee would have won my state's primary if we'd just held ours earlier in the year. Rush pointed to Alaska's governor and McCain selected her largely because he needed the support of the fundamentalists.
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Not a big deal. That's the dangerous power of the internet...if you read something, you're naturally programmed to believe it. Heck, even if you try to research something that sounds outlandish, you'll often end up going to other websites with biased/skewed/speculative info that's presented as fact.
I didn't believe it. I just thought it was an intriguing story and went looking for factual information to confirm/deny it. I am not an investigative reporter and I do not play one on television. Thus, I should have sat on my hands and buttoned my lips and waited for the professionals to report on the interesting rumor.
It would have made SUCH a good television movie, however.
No matter which way the election goes, someone is going to do a movie of Palin's life.
How, exactly, did she "hang her child out" on this? Did she somehow provoke unhinged liberals to start generating conspiracy theories about the birth of her child? You're darn right it's somebody else's fault! And how do you know the daughter is upset? I mean, sure, she's probably not happy about all the attention on her, but I bet she also didn't want her personal actions to negatively impact her mom. I'd be stoked if my Mom got selected to run for vice president, and would feel it was very unfair for people to somehow view poor decisions in my past as a reflection on my Mom.
First. Of course the daughter is going to be upset, if she is in the god fearing family they want to use the VP pick as. Teenage pregnancy out of wedlock is highly frowned upon, and if she was brought up as it seems, then she will be upset about it. Of course, you could say she wasn't brought up that way, in which case the whole conservative christian thing for them is false.
Second. How is it unfair to have the poor decisions of your children reflect back on the parent? Hate to break the news to you, but, whether you like it or not, a child's decision making abilities are a direct representation of how they were raised. Just because people think they did a good job raising their children doesn't mean they did, and the fact that her daughter couldn't wait until after high school, as well as the fact that she wasn't even using proper precautions, means her parents screwed up somewhere. And yes, I'm well aware that 'it's more common these days', but if you are going to be the VP, you should be held to higher standards.
If you are going to run for the high offices, you should know, with any amount of research, that everything you have done that can be exploited, will be. If you are not prepared for that...it's your own damn fault.
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I mean, it was going to become public knowledge, they had to all know that. Was her daughter in favor of Mom taking the nomination anyway? Was it wholehearted? Pressured? If McCain wins, what happens to her daughter and fiance? Do they move to DC and he gives up the support of his family?
Obama has been pretty candid about the affect his running for president has had on his daughters, and he's made it pretty clear that he and his wife have been checking in on their thoughts and feeling about it pretty regularly. I think that's the responsible thing to do as a parent.
Did Palin have time to give the kids the chance to think about, talk about it, ask questions about it? It's not really my business.... but I hope they were all prepared for the very public nature of ther lives for at least the next few months.
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All the democrat hysteria about Palin's daughter keeps striking me as acts of desperation. It seems like they're trying to change the subject from the double-whammy of Obama's shockingly absent convention bounce and the favorable attention McCain's been getting from the Palin nomination.
At the same time, they continue to shout that McCain can no longer talk about Obama's inexperience, because Palin is not very experienced either. They still haven't figured out that they're blundering into a trap. The democrats are making two mistakes. The first is they're running their headliner candidate against the vice presidential candidate, which is just weak and silly. The second is they're drawing attention to their candidate's inexperience and calling for voters to decide whether Obama or Palin is more inexperienced.
And it's starting to backfire more, as people learn more about Palin's actual accomplishments and compare them to Obama's lack thereof. In the past few days, we've learned that Palin fought against the machine and won, fought against corrupt oil legislation and won, stands by her beliefs, and has actually been governing her state. In the past couple of years, we've learned that Obama did three months of community work, got elected by the Chicago machine, advanced because his opponents dropped out of the race, and spent what little time he's been in the Senate doing other things instead of being a Senator. The democrats have made a big mistake by focusing attention on a comparison of inexperience, and I'd be very surprised if the republicans didn't take advantage of this in a big way.
The Clintons have pointed out that Obama lacks substance, and has risen on a mighty puff of air. The democrats aren't going to replace that with any substance in the next couple of months, and that gives the republicans an opportunity that, three months ago, I would have dismissed with laughter. I'm starting to see this as a real horse race now. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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I learned that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which sought a vote on the State to secede from the Union. She doesn't love this great country, she doesn't love U.S.A.
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I learned that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which sought a vote on the State to secede from the Union. She doesn't love this great country, she doesn't love U.S.A.
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Have you heard that it as all a plan by the Saudis?
Apparently Palin is a plant. Shortly after his election victory McCain will choke on a bottle of bud and Palins first act will be to declare alaska independent!
The peoples republic of Alaska will then OPEC to ensure continued high oil prices for americans.
All the democrat hysteria about Palin's daughter keeps striking me as acts of desperation. It seems like they're trying to change the subject from the double-whammy of Obama's shockingly absent convention bounce.
There was a convention bounce of about 10 points. You didn't see the detailed analysis?
Remember, McCain effectively stole Obama's thunder by announcing his VP choice such that what people were talking about the morning after Obama's speech wasn't Obama's speech but the Republican VP announcement.
There are times when bad publicity (is he nuts?) is still good publicity.
More, this was a nod to Rush (who had been pushing for Palin) which means that the ultra conservatives lined up for McCain and gave HIM a boost of 10%.
The result? A draw.
The Republicans couldn't have planned it better if they'd started the Palin smear campaign themselves. It set just the right tone of a woman wronged to gain sympathy among the conservative women.
Look! She made a mistake but she chose life and she's going to marry the father... the same thing that Jamie Spears said. [Has she married that guy yet?]
By the time the real vetting is done (by the media) it will be too late and we'll have an old guy and an extremist right-wing female-version-of-Rush in the White House.
One thing that caught my eye from this morning's press was the effect of Palin on conservative fund raising. While I think that most conservatives would have gritted their teeth and voted for McCain in November, they haven't been supporting him with cash. (Duh!). Apparently, she was worth $10M over the weekend.
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There was a convention bounce of about 10 points. You didn't see the detailed analysis?
Remember, McCain effectively stole Obama's thunder by announcing his VP choice such that what people were talking about the morning after Obama's speech wasn't Obama's speech but the Republican VP announcement.
There are times when bad publicity (is he nuts?) is still good publicity.
More, this was a nod to Rush (who had been pushing for Palin) which means that the ultra conservatives lined up for McCain and gave HIM a boost of 10%.
The result? A draw.
The Republicans couldn't have planned it better if they'd started the Palin smear campaign themselves. It set just the right tone of a woman wronged to gain sympathy among the conservative women.
Look! She made a mistake but she chose life and she's going to marry the father... the same thing that Jamie Spears said. [Has she married that guy yet?]
By the time the real vetting is done (by the media) it will be too late and we'll have an old guy and an extremist right-wing female-version-of-Rush in the White House.
Palin was a Hail Mary pass... and it WORKED!
Really!? I thought it back fire on them.
Here is the latest polls results, released today (Sep. 2nd):
Gallup Tracking Obama 50%, McCain 42%, Obama +8%.
Rasmussen Tracking Obama 51, McCain 45%, Obama +6%.
USA Today Obama 50%, McCain 43%, Obama +7%.
Hotline/FD Obama 48%, McCain 39%, Obama +9%.
CBS News Obama 48%, McCain 40%, Obama +8%.
Comparing to Last week (August 21st-August 25th):
Fox News Obama 42%, McCain 39%, Obama +3%.
Hotline/FD Obama 44%, McCain 40%, Obama +4%.
USA Today/Gallup Obama 48%, McCain 45%, Obama +3%.
CBS News Obama 45%, McCain 42%, Obama +3%.
These are national results, conducted by different people, yet they yielded similar results (last week, today, and the gain. Obama gained 4-5 points this week.)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4407638.shtml
I saw this piece about Intrade.com giving odds for Palin being withdrawn from the ticket before november.
It's very much a longshot, but it is a shot. How damaging to McCain's presidential hopes would that be?
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I stand by my statement that the McCain campaign will continue make Jeff Foxworthy proud. Here's to the Juno of Juneau!
If I could bet, I would put money on you.
More are coming out. Bristol Palin dropped out of highschool, she was drinking illegally while pregnant (pictures are floating around the internet now)...
I feel bad for her unborn baby. Where is the family education? Where are the parents? Oh, wait, I know, busy selling their soul for more power.
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I mean, it was going to become public knowledge, they had to all know that. Was her daughter in favor of Mom taking the nomination anyway? Was it wholehearted? Pressured? If McCain wins, what happens to her daughter and fiance? Do they move to DC and he gives up the support of his family?
Obama has been pretty candid about the affect his running for president has had on his daughters, and he's made it pretty clear that he and his wife have been checking in on their thoughts and feeling about it pretty regularly. I think that's the responsible thing to do as a parent.
Did Palin have time to give the kids the chance to think about, talk about it, ask questions about it? It's not really my business.... but I hope they were all prepared for the very public nature of ther lives for at least the next few months.
Here is something I don't get.
Why not just release her medical record to prove Trig is her son?
Why out your own daughter in public while everyone is watching?
I thought parents are suppose to protect their children at all cost... instead she pushs her daughter out to protect herself.
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I agree with Obama that the family of the candidates should be kept out of the discussion. The candidates are running for office, not the spouses and the children. Unfortunately, some of the candidates are running on family value platforms and want to make policies based upon their family values.
Ignorance-based sex education is not working and thus I can see Bristol's pregnancy being an issue since Palen wants to apply ignornace-based sex education versus knowledge-based education in our schools. However, alcohol consumption is not a platform issue (although one can say it's a health issue) and there's no evidence those photos aren't photoshopped or taken at a time prior to the pregnancy. I really think those who are opposed to Palen and/or McCain should take the high road and attack the issues, not the children.
I note there are pictures of Palen in a bikini, holding a firearm (allegedly photoshopped) and in several other poses -- all photoshopped. Please don't feed the energy monster.
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