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almadenmike · 08-20-2008, 10:16 PM

FYI ... the fencing section of the Modern Petathlon will be starting at the top of the hour (~7 p.m. Pacific time) in the Olympic fencing hall. Each of the 36 contestants does a round-robin one-touch epee match with each of the others. Live video is up already on nbcolympics.com.

tbryan · 08-20-2008, 11:42 PM

Strange. I figured that it would be on the same strips as the fencing, but I guess that doesn't provide enough strips to run the round robin quickly. I'm guessing that they also brought their own referees.

Dan H · 08-20-2008, 11:56 PM

It seems about 75% of the video coverage is exciting scenes such as "competitor lying on his fencing bag waiting for his next bout" or "wide angle shot of the whole room with not much happening." Oh, well.

tbryan · 08-21-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan H

It seems about 75% of the video coverage is exciting scenes such as "competitor lying on his fencing bag waiting for his next bout" or "wide angle shot of the whole room with not much happening." Oh, well.

Well, with one minute, one touch bouts, the weapons check often takes longer than the bout.

I found the fencing interesting, though. I've seen modern pentathletes competing in regular epee events, but I've never seen them in one of their own events.

KD5MDK · 08-21-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tbryan

Strange. I figured that it would be on the same strips as the fencing, but I guess that doesn't provide enough strips to run the round robin quickly. I'm guessing that they also brought their own referees.

I know John Moreau is over there as a referee now, so yes. At least if they brought their own strips they won't have a chance to steal them like Los Angeles.

Philistine · 08-21-2008, 12:36 AM

So no double defeats. How new is that? Am I just hopelessly outdated?

--Philistine

Guymelef · 08-21-2008, 12:47 AM

Looks like your average NAC. Hurry up and wait.

DHCJr · 08-21-2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I know John Moreau is over there as a referee now, so yes. At least if they brought their own strips they won't have a chance to steal them like Los Angeles.

Where did you hear this about Los Angeles? All the piste as well as the machines and all other gear, when Pentathlon was over went to the fencing hall and was under the control of fencing.

They are probably using the piste from the practice rooms.

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Originally Posted by Philistine

So no double defeats. How new is that? Am I just hopelessly outdated?

--Philistine

There are double defeats. If no one makes a non-double touch in one minute, they both lose.

tbryan · 08-21-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Philistine

So no double defeats. How new is that? Am I just hopelessly outdated?

The scoring description seems to indicate double defeat if time expires. It looks like they just throw out double touches.

Guymelef · 08-21-2008, 12:55 AM

The Russian coach's cap says CCCP. Is that being retro or a portent of things to come?

Philistine · 08-21-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

There are double defeats. I no one makes a non-double touch in one minute, they both lose.

Didn't it used to be fairly recently that a double touch was a double defeat?

Or am I just confused?

--Philistine

Army Fencer · 08-21-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tbryan

The scoring description seems to indicate double defeat if time expires. It looks like they just throw out double touches.

This is correct. It's just like what happens during the regular period and the score is tied at 4-4. The pentathletes give ground and keep fencing after a brief halt.

I'm not sure when they changed the rule, but it's been at least a quad.

DHCJr · 08-21-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Philistine

Didn't it used to be fairly recently that a double touch was a double defeat?

Or am I just confused?

--Philistine

Depends on what you consider fairly recently. 25 years ago at the Jr. Worlds double touches only stop the clock, but nothing was recorded. A year later at the '84 Games double touches were not a double defeat unless time expired.

Guymelef · 08-21-2008, 01:12 AM

For having to devote some of their time to four other disciplines, their stops are pretty wicked. I'm seeing only carefully constructed attacks or total surprises landing on offense.

fencerbill · 08-21-2008, 01:58 AM

Is this in the same hall as the fencing or where the practice strips were located?

oso97 · 08-21-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

Where did you hear this about Los Angeles? All the piste as well as the machines and all other gear, when Pentathlon was over went to the fencing hall and was under the control of fencing.

*chuckle* and do you know where the strips are at this day? Most of us in Texas can tell you EXACTLY where they are, and how they got there...

DHCJr · 08-21-2008, 11:33 AM

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*chuckle* and do you know where the strips are at this day? Most of us in Texas can tell you EXACTLY where they are, and how they got there...

I don't know and don't care. I do know I turned all 50 over to the Assistant Commissioner of Fencing when the week after Olympics was over.

I do know they were not 'stolen' by Pentathlon. The pistes were reported by the Assistant Commissioner to have been destroyed by stacking them to high after they had them moved to storage. At the Olympics we only stacked them one piste high. If they were stolen, it was by someone from fencing not Pentathlon, which could be possible.

If there are any that were actually from the Olympics and not the prototypes they should thank me. The prototypes were built professionally. They were glued in an inert environment. They used steel rivets and strong latches.

The 50 used at the Olympics were junk. Some started to bow during the first week from delaminating. They glued them just out in a factory with all those contaminants. Most of the pistes had some by the end of the Olympics, so unless they had come up completely we used them.

They used aluminum rivets and the latches were lightweight. My crew & I replaced every rivet; both top & bottom as well as the ones holding the latches. We also replaced many of the latches.

KD5MDK · 08-21-2008, 11:40 AM

[quote=DHCJr;724730]Where did you hear this about Los Angeles? All the piste as well as the machines and all other gear, when Pentathlon was over went to the fencing hall and was under the control of fencing.
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Interesting. There's a lot of them at former Pentathlon affiliated clubs down here now.

edew · 08-21-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Guymelef

The Russian coach's cap says CCCP. Is that being retro or a portent of things to come?

La plus ca change, la plus le meme choise.

edew · 08-21-2008, 12:30 PM

[quote=KD5MDK;724890][quote=DHCJr;724730]Where did you hear this about Los Angeles? All the piste as well as the machines and all other gear, when Pentathlon was over went to the fencing hall and was under the control of fencing.

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Interesting. There's a lot of them at former Pentathlon affiliated clubs down here now.

A bunch of the fencing equipment (scoring machines, reels, strips) were sold or given away eventually. I mean, I doubt Peter Uberroth has a particular need for them. NorCal had some reels and machines. As did SoCal, if I recall correctly.