08-16-2008, 11:21 PM
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| Men's team sabre defeats Hungary
USA team defeats Hungary 45-44!!!
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08-16-2008, 11:22 PM
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| Keeth came back from 4 down aganst Nemcsik.
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08-16-2008, 11:24 PM
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| It was a great comeback. He was very composed during the match the Hungarian fencer looked really unsure of his distance and timing against Keith.
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08-16-2008, 11:43 PM
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| Keeth had beaten Szilagyi 15-10 in the individual but it was turned around here 6-4 against keeth.
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08-17-2008, 05:02 PM
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| Great result, but...did the way it ended leave anyone else a with a slightly bad taste in their mouth?
I mean, to avert a loss by gaining from your own violation of the rules?
I'm not saying that anything should have been done differently, the way the rules are written the call was absolutely correct. But to be beaten and then have that overturned because YOU stepped off the strip? It just seems vaguely wrong to me...
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08-17-2008, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata  Great result, but...did the way it ended leave anyone else a with a slightly bad taste in their mouth?
I mean, to avert a loss by gaining from your own violation of the rules?
I'm not saying that anything should have been done differently, the way the rules are written the call was absolutely correct. But to be beaten and then have that overturned because YOU stepped off the strip? It just seems vaguely wrong to me... | If you are a New England Patriots fan, this scenario is quite familiar. I forget which game, probably 15th or so, the Patriots are behind with minutes left. Fourth down play fails, did we lose the ball? No, someone on the other team called time.
Replay the down. The play fails again - BUT, an offensive lineman false started. Automatic call, defense has no option, 5 yard penalty, replay the down again. This time the Patriots converted on 4th down, went on to score and wound up winning the game.
And there was really no question but that keeth had stepped off, several steps before the touch was scored against him. if Keeth had scored, it would have been annulled, only fair that Poz's score was annulled.
The call that was not as clear to me was that Tim's foot violated the sideline behind the end line, resulting in a touch called against him. Would be helpful to have a backwards extension of the sideline in a faintly contrasting color to help with that call. Which goes back to the definition of off the side of the strip, all of the foot or any of the foot.
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08-17-2008, 06:27 PM
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08-17-2008, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Great result, but...did the way it ended leave anyone else a with a slightly bad taste in their mouth?
I mean, to avert a loss by gaining from your own violation of the rules? | It's not like Keeth challenged because he intentionally stepped off (and, believe it or not, as an epeeist I've faced opponents who intentionally step off the side during an attack to "hedge"). It was an accident.
Apparently, what happened was: an assistant referee yelled halt as Keeth stepped out, Keeth slowed down, 2-3 steps later was hit by Podz. In addition, Yakimenko jumped out of the box (I imagine because he saw that Podz was about to get hit, and wanted to get the ref to stop the action for Keeth stepping out).
So, during the replay and Keeth's gesturing it was clear the call was correct - no bitter taste here. | |
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08-17-2008, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fencerbill Would be helpful to have a backwards extension of the sideline in a faintly contrasting color to help with that call. |
It's true that most strips don't have the sidelines extending past the endline, but as it happens, the strips in Beijing do. | |
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08-17-2008, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by noahz It's not like Keeth challenged because he intentionally stepped off (and, believe it or not, as an epeeist I've faced opponents who intentionally step off the side during an attack to "hedge"). It was an accident. | I know that. I am just made a bit uneasy by a system which allows us actually to profit by our own mistakes...
The episode itself bothers me less than the fact that it can happen. Ideally, we would be punished for screwing up, not rewarded with a "do over".
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08-17-2008, 10:29 PM
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| I don't see anything wrong with the rule that says "nothing after halt counts." If we tried to say "nothing after halt counts unless it doesn't seem fair", the rules would have to have a million if-then-else cases, and exceptions, and we'd get some really wacko rulings. The fencing rules are complicated enough as it is.
Yeah, if I were Podz, I'd feel pretty screwed, but them's the breaks. Sometimes the most fair thing doesn't feel fair to one or more people involved.
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