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KD5MDK · 08-11-2008, 08:23 PM

Has anybody else attended a Vet Worlds in the same year they won a bout in the Olympics?

ysbadadden · 08-12-2008, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Has anybody else attended a Vet Worlds in the same year they won a bout in the Olympics?

Has any Olympian in any weapon been eligible for that year's Vet Worlds during the time that the Vet Worlds been in existence?

Kiwifencer · 08-12-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gatsby

yeah i was thinking that too.

why was the match being directed from the wrong side?

It is because the ref is on the correct side - the cameras and audience not necessarily so. Which is why the cameras see the wrong side - but the ref sees the correct side. All sorts of attempts to get the ref out of the view of the audience - hence raised pistes, stages and so on.

KD5MDK · 08-12-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwifencer

It is because the ref is on the correct side - the cameras and audience not necessarily so. Which is why the cameras see the wrong side - but the ref sees the correct side. All sorts of attempts to get the ref out of the view of the audience - hence raised pistes, stages and so on.

Nope. The referee is clearly standing with their back to us. Also, raises pistes are not to hide the referee, they're to make the fencers more visible and make the referee's job easier. I've done it, it is much easier to referee a bout on a raised piste than a floor level one.

Lemonaide · 08-12-2008, 10:06 PM

It is because the ref is on the correct side - the cameras and audience not necessarily so. Which is why the cameras see the wrong side - but the ref sees the correct side. All sorts of attempts to get the ref out of the view of the audience - hence raised pistes, stages and so on.

Nope. The referee is clearly standing with their back to us. Also, raises pistes are not to hide the referee, they're to make the fencers more visible and make the referee's job easier. I've done it, it is much easier to referee a bout on a raised piste than a floor level one.

FROM LEMONAIDE:
After reading the two above, I can only conclude that both are saying the same thing, but fence different weapons. The second paragraph infers that in the first paragraph there's a hidden agenda people who see hidden agenda's are either saborists or paranoid. Epeeists on the other hand, even former epeeists and foilists, don't see hidden agenda's, but as a person who has at least fenced saber a few times for fun, I can see how it would appear that there is a hidden agenda.

KD5MDK · 08-13-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemonaide

It is because the ref is on the correct side - the cameras and audience not necessarily so. Which is why the cameras see the wrong side - but the ref sees the correct side. All sorts of attempts to get the ref out of the view of the audience - hence raised pistes, stages and so on.

Nope. The referee is clearly standing with their back to us. Also, raises pistes are not to hide the referee, they're to make the fencers more visible and make the referee's job easier. I've done it, it is much easier to referee a bout on a raised piste than a floor level one.

FROM LEMONAIDE:
After reading the two above, I can only conclude that both are saying the same thing, but fence different weapons. The second paragraph infers that in the first paragraph there's a hidden agenda people who see hidden agenda's are either saborists or paranoid. Epeeists on the other hand, even former epeeists and foilists, don't see hidden agenda's, but as a person who has at least fenced saber a few times for fun, I can see how it would appear that there is a hidden agenda.

I'm quoting this post to preserve it because it's so darn funny.

Phrogger · 08-13-2008, 06:01 PM

Just watched a bit of the brackets from the other day. I noticed Egyptian fencer El Gammal was wearing a headscarf. Come to think of it, would fencing be the perfect sport for Muslim women? I mean, you barely see your face or hands at all. I can't name many other sports that are as modest. Can you imagine Olympic swimmers in this? Fencing as a tool for women's empowerment. Go girls!

fencerbill · 08-13-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Phrogger

Just watched a bit of the brackets from the other day. I noticed Egyptian fencer El Gammal was wearing a headscarf. Come to think of it, would fencing be the perfect sport for Muslim women? I mean, you barely see your face or hands at all. I can't name many other sports that are as modest. Can you imagine Olympic swimmers in this? Fencing as a tool for women's empowerment. Go girls!

I've been watching Ibtihaj Muhammad wear such a headscarf in Sabre since several years back.

Lemonaide · 08-13-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by noahz

Foil with flicking:
- dynamic footwork
- explosive attacks
- dramatic right of way calls

Foil after flicking banned:
- slow, plodding footwork
- few attacks, lots of sloppy remises/in-fighting/ducking
- directors fall asleep, look up periodically to make a one-light right of way call

Gee, Roach, thanks for making Fencing TeeVee-friendly!!1

I understand how people want to make fencing exciting for the viewers out there who understand fencing, but I don't think that Monsieur Roach needs to change the sport to suit a 88" television screen; nor should fencers feel they need to 'entertain' spectators or even the directors.

I'm sorry, because I enjoyed using the foil to flick, but it left so many grey areas for complainers. If a fencer plods, it's because his or her footwork is lacking. Footwork is the backbone of good fencing [IMO]. It needs to be very precise. It forces the fencer to keep in good condition, and keep their weight down, and to be able to do sudden attacks like a sprinter can do in the middle of a good jog. I have to admit, it looks exciting and so forth, but the level of complaints about the flicks were so overwhelming I'm not surprised it was ever banned.... if it were actually banned. I did see a lot of nice shoulder attacks.

Grasshopper · 08-14-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemonaide

It needs to be very precise. It forces the fencer to keep in good condition, and keep their weight down

All your cupcakes, belong to me.

Jvanhousen · 08-17-2008, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ysbadadden

Has any Olympian in any weapon been eligible for that year's Vet Worlds during the time that the Vet Worlds been in existence?

Luan Jujie

edew · 08-17-2008, 03:41 AM

Probably Elaine Cheris at the 96 Olympics as well.

nahouw · 08-17-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ysbadadden

Has any Olympian in any weapon been eligible for that year's Vet Worlds during the time that the Vet Worlds been in existence?

yes - Jujie Luan for Canada who will be competing for Canada this year.

oiuyt · 08-17-2008, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by edew

Probably Elaine Cheris at the 96 Olympics as well.

I think 1997 was the first year for Vet Worlds. And that year was only men's epee.

-B

edew · 08-17-2008, 03:56 AM

Not sure how formally organized the Vet World Championships are, but I do recall a friend, Gene Fiducia, who had been attending Vet Worlds for a long time, since 1985 at least (when I first met him). Maybe it wasn't as formalized as it is now.

fencerbill · 08-17-2008, 09:12 AM

There was a demo ME at the 1997 Senior World Championships, I believe in South Agrica. In 1998 there was ME and WF in Switzerland. Five weapon VWCs were held in Siofolk, Hungary, in 1999 and in Godollo, Hungary, in 2000. The 2001 VWC was in Martinique, a source for several of France's Olympic Epee fencers. The 2002 VWC was in Tampa and had a WS demo event. There have been 6-weapon VWCs since: in Limoges, France; Krems, Austria; Tampa again; Sydney; Bath, England; and they will be again in Limoges, France, this year. Next year in Moscow, but I haven't seen dates.