08-11-2008, 01:03 AM
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| Yes, 13-5. | 
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08-11-2008, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Soberin  Emily out in 32. Big upset. | With the exception of WS, I'm starting to think our fencers need to avoid getting byes... | |
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08-11-2008, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs Emily seems to be having a lot of trouble getting a light on here. Even for women's foil, this bout seems to have very little right of way. | Looked to me like Cross was struggling against a lefty who defended very well with distance - everything was falling short or hitting off target on the front arm. Su's occasional counterattacks were also very effective. | 
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08-11-2008, 01:09 AM
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| I don't know how much the crowd factored into it for Emily, but Su was really pumped up for that match. Su gained confidence throughout the match and Cross wasn't able to piece together a rally of her own to stop the momentum.
Hanna also lost her match against Golubitsky - I didn't get to see it b/c I was watching Emily's match. Hanna said that Golubitsky pushed the tempo more and it took her a little longer to adjust to it.
Erinn's next match is at 1.
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08-11-2008, 01:11 AM
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#45 | | Senior Member
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| Foil with flicking:
- dynamic footwork
- explosive attacks
- dramatic right of way calls
Foil after flicking banned:
- slow, plodding footwork
- few attacks, lots of sloppy remises/in-fighting/ducking
- directors fall asleep, look up periodically to make a one-light right of way call
Gee, Roach, thanks for making Fencing TeeVee-friendly!!1 | |
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08-11-2008, 01:18 AM
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| The Chinese crowd continues to be a factor, not just in the Chinese bouts.
There are lots of pauses since the fencers can't hear the referee call "allez".
Sun just got within one of Knapek (9-10) and the crowd noise is deafening. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by noahz Foil with flicking:
- dynamic footwork
- explosive attacks
- dramatic right of way calls | That last one really isn't a good thing - I don't find much drama in trying to guess which way the ref is going to (apparently arbitrarily) award a touch.
Anyway, was flicking ever all that prevalent in the women's game? I didn't see much top-level women's foil in the pre-Youtube days, but I don't remember it being anywhere near as common as it was on the men's side. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:22 AM
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| Gruchala's making a big comeback over here on yellow. Narrowed it to 10-8 after a very slow start. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:29 AM
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| And she loses 12-11 in overtime. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:32 AM
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| I think I missed something...why does Knapek look so pissed? Didn't she just win? | |
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08-11-2008, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK And she loses 12-11 in overtime. | Bout got real interesting there in the third period though. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NGV That last one really isn't a good thing - I don't find much drama in trying to guess which way the ref is going to (apparently arbitrarily) award a touch. | It's certainly far from arbitrary, and I'd argue that in many cases right of way was easier to follow with the old timings, as the actions were clearer. Quote:
Originally Posted by NGV Anyway, was flicking ever all that prevalent in the women's game? I didn't see much top-level women's foil in the pre-Youtube days, but I don't remember it being anywhere near as common as it was on the men's side. | It wasn't all that prevalent, but I think the point was more a pro-con sort of thing; the new timings were invented to remove the flick but the game they created is stale and ugly. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Catseye I think I missed something...why does Knapek look so pissed? Didn't she just win? | Knapek was up something like 14-9, and then Sun staged an audience-inspiring comeback. Final score was 15-13, and Knapek seemed to bellow back at the crowd, quite inelegantly and unsporting-like it seemed to me, as she took her mask off.
As a rank newbie (parent of a new fencing student), I have no idea if there were any controversial touch calls that went against her, or if Knapek was just frustrated with Sun's comeback and the audience's exponential response to and encouragement of it. (Maybe the experts here who were watching could comment on that.) | |
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08-11-2008, 01:41 AM
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| I couldn't make it all out, but I thought I heard an announcement (I was watching yellow piste and they still were deafening) after the Sun bout to please hold your cheering till the end of the bout or something. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs It's certainly far from arbitrary, and I'd argue that in many cases right of way was easier to follow with the old timings, as the actions were clearer. | Maybe so, but my point was that (regardless of which timing system produces more of them) "dramatic" right of way calls are not a good thing. Ideally, a knowledgeable viewer should have a pretty good sense of which fencer scored the touch without having to wait for the referee's decision. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:50 AM
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| Wow. Even after seeing each of them over a dozen times, the GE commercials are now looking entertaining. At least compared to most of the WF bouts.
Still not sure which I'll buy first though -- the GE jet engine, windmill, water purification plant or baggage scanner. | |
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08-11-2008, 01:51 AM
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| Why did the ref take so much time to get the fencers back to en garde after each halt in Emily's bout? Crowd noise doesn't explain it; was he waiting for the replay system to be engaged? | |
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08-11-2008, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fencerX Still not sure which I'll buy first though -- the GE jet engine, windmill, water purification plant or baggage scanner. | I've been turning the sound off for all of them so the GE products have completely gone over my head and I now want to take a trip to Greece and but a BBQing sabre. Amazing how the mute button can mess with product placement. | |
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08-11-2008, 02:02 AM
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| Smart vs. Maitrejean on yellow now. | |
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08-11-2008, 02:18 AM
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| Maitrejean leads 8-7 after the second period - very tense bout. | |
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