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Array Fencing Tactics Every now and then I hear someone mention that someone does or doesn't have a grasp of fencing tactics. (Sadly, I think I'm one of the latter...)
What kind of tactics are there in fencing? Would this just refer to, for example, consciously using a 1-2 against someone who always parrys quarte, i.e. basically using your opponent's weaknesses against them? Or is there more to it than that? -
There's a lot more to it than that. Have you ever heard of the tactical wheel, for example?* What does your coach say?
* It may be accused of being overly simplistic, but it is a basic example of fencing tactics. -
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Array In chess, you can think one move ahead. This works well against beginners, and is a skill you learns as a beginner. But there are some people who play games where they're both thinking 8 moves ahead. That's harder to do, and doesn't work as well against the kid that is only thinking one move ahead.
Throw in poker--- body language, deceit, luck, etc.
Then throw in the fact that our game is very physical.........
You've got the beginings of the idea. It's about figuring out the dumb things your opponent is doing, and using it against them. But it gets more complicated. -
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Array I would very much recommend reading anything by Prof Zbigniew Czajkowski as a firm grounding in fencing tactics. Some of his papers are available on the Canadian Fencing web site, and serve as a good start to his books.
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Array  Originally Posted by Einin Every now and then I hear someone mention that someone does or doesn't have a grasp of fencing tactics. (Sadly, I think I'm one of the latter...)
What kind of tactics are there in fencing? Would this just refer to, for example, consciously using a 1-2 against someone who always parrys quarte, i.e. basically using your opponent's weaknesses against them? Or is there more to it than that? They say I don't grasp fencing tactics either.
Screw em. Just get out there and fence. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. And from this side only! The flight of a half-man, half-bird. Dinosaurs nuzzling their young in pastures where strip malls should be. Cookies on dowels. All those moment, lost in time. Gone, like eggs off a hooker's stomach. Time to die" -Phil Ken Sebben -
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Array I actually use fencing tactics when filling in as assistant coach for a beginner class. I will take specific actions to draw out their skill set. I also watch them for signs of fatigue by watching for a decrease in the frequency of appropriate reactions and for signs of distraction. Then I make note of who needs work on what.
We do it whether consciously or not. But when I look at them as concious actions and not instinctive or intuitive reactions, then I can improve.
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I think this conversation is being seriously limited by an absense of a definition of terms. -
 Originally Posted by KD5MDK I think this conversation is being seriously limited by an absense of a definition of terms. what does he fence? epee? only terms he needs to know are extend and fleche. -
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Array  Originally Posted by noodle what does he fence? epee? only terms he needs to know are extend and fleche.  Also "stabil" -
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Array  Originally Posted by KD5MDK No bounce? It just happens... no need to define it. -
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Array  Originally Posted by Lady Quindecim It just happens... no need to define it. You've obviously never seen how poorly some epeeists define "bouncing."
-B "Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!" -
What is tactics?  Originally Posted by Einin Every now and then I hear someone mention that someone does or doesn't have a grasp of fencing tactics. (Sadly, I think I'm one of the latter...)
What kind of tactics are there in fencing? Would this just refer to, for example, consciously using a 1-2 against someone who always parrys quarte, i.e. basically using your opponent's weaknesses against them? Or is there more to it than that? Fencing tactics you asked? Here is the definition by Maestro Giancarlo Torān: Tactics is deceit, but in an open sport this deception is not cheating because it takes place within an agreed set of rules known and shared by all participants. In other words it is possible, actually it is part of the game to influence, determine, and program the opponents decisions: this is tactics.
You may read this presentation which covers tactics, strategy, technique, and sport psychology http://www.schermaonline.com/scherma...ticle&sid=1857
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The definitions of tactics basically revolve around anything used to gain success or an advantage.
So you could say that a tactic is any planned action, as opposed to merely reflexive actions. - Wisdom is the knowledge of how much you don't know. -
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Array  Originally Posted by oiuyt You've obviously never seen how poorly some epeeists define "bouncing."
-B Define or execute? "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."
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Array  Originally Posted by HDG Define or execute? Have you SEEN the cleavage thread? :blush:
Some ideas on bouncing are very different and it has very little to do with epee. -
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Array  Originally Posted by Lady Quindecim Have you SEEN the cleavage thread? :blush:
Some ideas on bouncing are very different and it has very little to do with epee. And everything to do with epeeists. -
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Array Simple Tactics from the USFCA study guide
Lines of attack and defense
Direct
Indirect
Simple
Compound Short Tactical Wheel
Foreseen actions
Partially foreseen actions
Unforeseen actions
Preparation
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 Originally Posted by MdA Simple Tactics from the USFCA study guide How wonderfully helpful!
No, wait, I'm lying. -
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Array physical chess  Originally Posted by Einin Every now and then I hear someone mention that someone does or doesn't have a grasp of fencing tactics. (Sadly, I think I'm one of the latter...)
What kind of tactics are there in fencing? Would this just refer to, for example, consciously using a 1-2 against someone who always parrys quarte, i.e. basically using your opponent's weaknesses against them? Or is there more to it than that? Consider three stages of the bout:
Beginning game
Middle game
end game
In the beginning, you are finding what their reactions are and how to draw a specific reaction when you want.
Middle game you are getting points but not using your "magic bullet" that you learned in your beginning campaign.
End game, you use the "magic bullet" and get the final touch.
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