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    Baldini fails doping test...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olym...ng/7536871.stm

    And is not going to the Olympics...

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    Baldini fails drugs test! Misses Olympics

    So much for "steroids wouldn't be useful in fencing".

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olym...ng/7536871.stm

    (And yes I know it's a diuretic, not a steroid - but typically athletes use steroids for a cycle, then utilise diuretics to flush their system in an attempt to avoid detection)

    Cassara will fence instead.
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    MF World Number 1 Baldini fails drugs test

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olym...ng/7536871.stm

    World number one foil fencer Andrea Baldini has failed a doping test and will miss the Beijing Olympics.

    The Italian Olympic Committee revealed on Friday that Baldini tested positive for a banned diuretic at the European Championships in Kiev last month.

    The 22-year-old had been one of Italy's top fencing medal hopes for Olympics and was tipped for the gold.

    But he will be replaced in the Italian fencing squad by Andrea Cassara, says the Gazzetta dello Sport newspaper

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    Nah. I just merged it together.

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    "It's a very strong signal to our athletes to be extremely cautious when using any kind of medicine, even if it's widely available in hospitals and pharmacies."
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    I am sure the FIE leadership is really upset. Anti-doping is a high priority of the IOC and this just makes fencing look as bad as other sports. We must keep ourselves clean to remain in the Olympics...or gain extra medals and athlete slots for additional 2 team events.

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    Wow, that is huge news. I'll be very curious how this plays out if the second test proves conclusive. Any thoughts on what illegal substance he was trying to hide? Could it be something other than steroids?

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    Absolute strength and bulk probably aren't what he was after - but there are a number of banned products the primary purpose of which is to improve recovery time between training sessions, enabling you to train harder, longer than the other guy.

    Wouldn't be surprised if it were something like that.
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    Thank goodness they take that second sample, even though:




    However, Scarso admitted it was "99% likely" that the second test, the result of which is due early next week, would also be positive.
    I am as strong an advocate for clean sports as anyone, but the history of these tests -- or, I should say, the poor performance of many of the labs that administer these tests (mis labeling, cross-contamination, you name it) -- with the declaration that Baldini's second sample is going to fail before the tests results come back makes an ugly stink.

    What's Italian for "due process" ?

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    I'm sure it's just a recognition that, when the second sample is tested, 99% of the time the results match those of the first sample. Simple statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MdA View Post
    I am sure the FIE leadership is really upset. Anti-doping is a high priority of the IOC and this just makes fencing look as bad as other sports. We must keep ourselves clean to remain in the Olympics...or gain extra medals and athlete slots for additional 2 team events.
    It was caught by the FIE previous to the Games. This is the best of all situations after it's a given that one of your athletes is doping.

    Keeping him out of the games shows that the FIE is serious about doping, took steps to test the athletes going, and kept people out of the games who should be kept out of the games.

    I don't think fencing loses anything in the eyes of the IOC from this.

    No Olympic medals stripped, no one getting kicked out in the middle of the games, etc.

    -w

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe View Post
    No Olympic medals stripped, no one getting kicked out in the middle of the games, etc.

    -w
    I wonder if he'll lose his European Championships medal - in which case, does 2nd place (Laurence Halstead, GBR) get the gold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory View Post
    I wonder if he'll lose his European Championships medal - in which case, does 2nd place (Laurence Halstead, GBR) get the gold?
    Cassara is European Champion, Baldini was beaten by Halsted 15-9 in the L8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory View Post
    I wonder if he'll lose his European Championships medal - in which case, does 2nd place (Laurence Halstead, GBR) get the gold?
    Cassara won gold in Kiev, not Baldini, although it may mean that Poland may get the gold in the team event.
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    New "Excersise Pill"

    I wonder how long before this one is on the streetcorner...uh...laboratory.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25949447/

    But really, this drug would be a *dream* for people like me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by downunder View Post
    Cassara is European Champion, Baldini was beaten by Halsted 15-9 in the L8.
    All these foreign Johnnies look the same to me, what!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory View Post
    All these foreign Johnnies look the same to me, what!
    pip pip.

    3 of you, one of me, I make it Pimm's o'clock etc etc

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    What "drug" was it that they found?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicksmom View Post
    What "drug" was it that they found?
    It was a diuretic called Furosemide.

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    That drug is also used as a masking agent for other drugs.

    Along with some other diuretics, furosemide is also included on the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned drug list due to its alleged use as a masking agent for other drugs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furosemide)

    From: http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/cache/...-15-10001.html
    To illustrate this, consider FUROSEMIDE, which is the banned drug most often used and found in all gymnastic disciplines, particularly in young women.



    Listed as a category S5, Furosemide is a diuretic which is prohibited both in and out of competition, and its presence in urine merits a sanction of two years suspension, stripping an athlete of medals, ranking and the like.



    Furosemide is not a doping substance in and of itself; rather it is a masking agent, which means it hides a doping substance during analysis, including hormonal anabolic substances.

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