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At close quarters is in the rule book to hit with a bent arm
Some say Hit some say touch
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07-31-2008, 07:15 PM
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07-31-2008, 09:31 PM
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08-01-2008, 02:34 AM
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08-01-2008, 07:00 AM
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08-01-2008, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Gav  You will meet a mysterious person... he will move you in strange ways. | ??? Duck Dodgers and a floating Moving van driven by lemurs?
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08-01-2008, 07:55 AM
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08-01-2008, 09:41 AM
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08-01-2008, 10:07 AM
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| Fornquash folds exrootmix. For to when?
If nether was neither, then bumblebees pirouette.
And thusly, was not the touch? If not, then so and etc.
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08-01-2008, 10:41 AM
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| I don't like "hit" one little bit.
I much prefer to touch.
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08-01-2008, 02:06 PM
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#12 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Maurice At close quarters is in the rule book to hit with a bent arm
Some say Hit some say touch
Maurice | Maurice:
If you are looking for a comment on a particular situation, please rephrase your question.
Your comment was not well understood and the fellow idiots on f.net have been having fun.
If we can understand your subject, I am sure someone will provide a comment that is not nonsense.
Don't give up, keep trying. We have a lot of fun but not all of us are unkind.
Fencerbill
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08-01-2008, 08:59 PM
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Thank you fencerbill for your reply
In an Attack at close quarters and you touch your opponent when arm is bent or angulated
Is that valid touch?
Should the arm always be in extension to gain a touch ?
Regards
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08-01-2008, 09:04 PM
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#14 | | Yes We Did
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| An angulated or bent arm can still result in a valid touch, even if the fencers are at close quarters.
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08-02-2008, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Maurice Thank you fencerbill for your reply
In an Attack at close quarters and you touch your opponent when arm is bent or angulated
Is that valid touch?
Should the arm always be in extension to gain a touch ?
Regards
Maurice | When you hit, you get a touch. The only time positioning is important is when both fencers hit. | |
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08-02-2008, 04:41 PM
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#16 | | Question Game Queen
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Originally Posted by fencerbill Maurice:
If you are looking for a comment on a particular situation, please rephrase your question.
Your comment was not well understood and the fellow idiots on f.net have been having fun.
If we can understand your subject, I am sure someone will provide a comment that is not nonsense.
Don't give up, keep trying. We have a lot of fun but not all of us are unkind.
Fencerbill | Also, this is something that should go in Fencing Discussion. Water Cooler is a place for less-serious and non-fencing talk, thus the silly comments. | |
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08-02-2008, 05:28 PM
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#17 | | Yes We Did
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| It got moved from fencing discussion because it was generating a lot of nonsense.
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08-02-2008, 07:25 PM
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#18 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs When you hit, you get a touch. The only time positioning is important is when both fencers hit. | Clearly, but what are the odds that he's asking about whether a ref should award a point on a one-lighter?
The ROW rules are the same at close quarters as they are an any other distance. The ref should look at who is attacking first, even if it's only by pushing a cut onto target with the fingers.
Very often you see people take a head parry and then basically just drop the arm straight down to riposte to the opponent's head or body.
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08-03-2008, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Maurice Thank you fencerbill for your reply
In an Attack at close quarters and you touch your opponent when arm is bent or angulated
Is that valid touch?
Should the arm always be in extension to gain a touch ?
Regards
Maurice | If there is a light on only one side, then of course that fencer will have a tough recorded on the score sheet.
If lights are on on both sides, then the right of way rules are applied. If one fencer has a bent arm, that does not help him to have right of way determined in his favor.
It is not enough to say that the fencer has a bent arm, or that his arm is angulated, to determine whether a touch will be recorded in his favor.
It depends on what both fencers are doing. There are several people, including highly rated referees and members of the USFA Fencing Officials Commission, who post from time to time here on f.net.
If they could clearly understand what question you want answered, they could give you a definitive answer. In my opinion, your question is still not clear enough to give an answer.
Maurice, we welcome your participation and we will continue to try to help you.
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08-03-2008, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gav The number 7 will feature prominently. The year of the elk is the harbinger of the bucket.
You will meet a mysterious person... he will move you in strange ways. | Perhaps our moderator could both remove some of the nonsense and return this to Fencing Discussion.
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