07-04-2008, 09:42 PM
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| Election Results?
Have the votes been counted?
Without a coach or a person of authority to tell me what to do, I'm unsure whether to be patient and rest assured that those in charge have the situation well under control, or be concerned that people of ill intent might have stolen the ballot box, and are--even as we speak--stuffing flamagels down the ballot slot in an effort to interrupt the process.
But golly, I don't know why I'm getting all in a lather about this. Someone will tell me what I need to know, all in good time. 
I hear the Hallmark Channel is having a "Sarah: Plain & Tall" marathon this 4th of July. That's all the excitement I need.
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07-04-2008, 10:31 PM
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| They just announced the results. The NC candidates won. | |
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07-04-2008, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by brtech  They just announced the results. The NC candidates won. | I believe the count was 800(something) to 600(something) in the presidential race.
I would like to say to the winners best wishes and good luck.
Though given the recent turns of events it kind of feels like making that old Chinese curse, "May you live in interestng times".
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07-04-2008, 11:00 PM
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07-04-2008, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jjefferies I believe the count was 800(something) to 600(something) in the presidential race. | wow... pathetic turnout.
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07-04-2008, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 wow... pathetic turnout.
-m | we don't know how many ballots were mailed out. 1,100 perhaps?  | |
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07-05-2008, 12:38 AM
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| Your math skills need help. | |
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07-05-2008, 01:32 AM
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| There were about 9000 members able to vote and less than 10% of us voted in this election.
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07-05-2008, 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JEC There were about 9000 members able to vote and less than 10% of us voted in this election. | And I would agree with EpeeMike81 on this one, "Pathetic".
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07-05-2008, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JEC There were about 9000 members able to vote and less than 10% of us voted in this election. | Eh, considering the numbers that vote for government officials in the US, that isn't surprising at all. I mean, many of the people able to vote have no idea who the candidates are and don't know anything about the problems plaging the national scale. Most USFA memembers are only so so that they can fence in a local tournament a couple times a month. | |
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07-05-2008, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JEC There were about 9000 members able to vote and less than 10% of us voted in this election. | My math must be off...
jjefferies said 800 to 600 for presidential election... That means 1400 total votes, which is more than 10%.
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07-05-2008, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by telkanuru Your math skills need help. | ......... it was supposed to be a joke. silly.
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07-05-2008, 05:43 PM
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| Does any one know if they will release the actuall counts?
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07-06-2008, 02:40 AM
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| My understanding is that they will not, and the candidates agreed that no figures would be released. That said, someone posted numbers upthread, so I don't know where he got them. | |
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07-07-2008, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK My understanding is that they will not, and the candidates agreed that no figures would be released. That said, someone posted numbers upthread, so I don't know where he got them. | How can the vote count not be released, and why do the candidates have any standing to decide that? | |
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07-07-2008, 04:12 AM
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| Yes, who exactly was agreeing to keep what "confidential"? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Roberts Rules The tellers' report is entered in full in the minutes, becoming a part of the official records of the organization. Under no circumstances should this be omitted in an election or in a vote on a critical motion out of a mistaken deference to the feelings of unsuccessful candidates or members of the losing side. | | |
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07-07-2008, 12:37 PM
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| Three words: information hoard. umm...Ing.
There is zero justification for withholding the vote counts in an election of this type. If the powers that be decide you don't need to get all in a lather about these niggling little numbers, in such a public and important matter, then ask yourself:
When really unpleasant kinds of numbers/matters need to be discussed, how proactive are they going to be about releasing information?
It's not a good start.
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07-07-2008, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK My understanding is that they will not, and the candidates agreed that no figures would be released. That said, someone posted numbers upthread, so I don't know where he got them. | Candidates have no say in the matter. Releasing a final tally is either part of the election process or it is not. ... And before anyone picks up pitchforks and torches, we probably need to confirm that bylaw. | |
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07-07-2008, 12:44 PM
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| Perhaps there was a wish not to "embarrass" the losing candidates any more than losing already did. To those involved it might have smacked of nose-rubbing.
But if so it was a short-sighted perspective. One of the main complaints about the USFA has always been the institutional lack of transparency, and this just looked like no one had learned any lessons...
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07-07-2008, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Perhaps there was a wish not to "embarrass" the losing candidates any more than losing already did. To those involved it might have smacked of nose-rubbing.
But if so it was a short-sighted perspective. One of the main complaints about the USFA has always been the institutional lack of transparency, and this just looked like no one had learned any lessons... | And the revelation could better prepare the next slate of challengers. They'll know what to expect before they get started. | |
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