07-03-2008, 08:16 PM
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I am just starting read the newest American Fencing, and I came acrost an article about the Maccabiah Games. The article expressly states they are looking for Jewish athletes.
We sure have come a long way from "Jews Not Allowed", which we now find offensive. Would it be OK to say we are looking for "whites" to expressly connect to the "European" culture at the games in Paris? At a restaurant?
Well this bugs me. Also I really don't think this kind of exclusionary event needs the attention of AF, whether it is whites only, black only, jews only, or Spanish speaking only. I think an orgzanization like USFA that supports diversity need to think a little harder about what they publish and who gets included.
Sorry, friendly responses from WASP-M only.
Sam
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07-03-2008, 08:21 PM
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| So then you're all for telling people what kinds of tournaments they can run?
Have you been to a USFA event lately? There are women only events, men only events, D and under events, epee only events, under 17, 14 and 12 events... You're saying that people shouldn't be allowed to decide what criteria they want to use for hosting their own, private sporting events?
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07-03-2008, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by seven6ty  So then you're all for telling people what kinds of tournaments they can run?
Have you been to a USFA event lately? There are women only events, men only events, D and under events, epee only events, under 17, 14 and 12 events... You're saying that people shouldn't be allowed to decide what criteria they want to use for hosting their own, private sporting events? | Are you telling me you can not tell the difference between whites only, and any race, any religion women's events?
BTW, I am and was a very strong support of allowing women to compete in men's events in our local bay cup, and pursued this until women were included. At the same time I support the women's events, because as they have often told me, men "hit too hard".
Still if they want to compete, I am all for it. Inclusion is good.
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07-03-2008, 09:09 PM
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| while we're at it, the USFA should open up women's events so that men can fence in them too. i, for one, would like to have a national women's championship medal under my belt. | |
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07-03-2008, 09:31 PM
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| I feel that white men have never gotten a fair shake any time in history. More must be done to include white men, as they have never had anything they can call their own.
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07-03-2008, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rdg Are you telling me you can not tell the difference between whites only, and any race, any religion women's events? | I can tell the difference, yes. I just wasn't aware that some discrimination is ok, while some isn't.
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07-03-2008, 09:51 PM
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| Interestingly enough there are some Jews who are "white". You might also check out this CYO site, CYO For another nefarious example. | |
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07-03-2008, 10:04 PM
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| I really don't feel like going into the women vs men deal again. Too exhausting.
To the OP: The Maccabiah Games have been around for a long time (since 1932) and aren't much different than the regional events like the Asian Games, or the military-only Military World Games. I'm not an ethnic or religious minority, and I don't begrudge these athletes the right to get together in the spirit of sports. It's not hurting anybody. | |
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07-03-2008, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Phrogger It's not hurting anybody. | It's apparently hurting rdg's tender feelings…
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07-03-2008, 10:14 PM
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Don't get your knickers in a twist. So do you think that no group is allowed to have any event of any sort open only to members of that group? No "catholics only Sunday BBQ after Mass"? No "church members only cast for a church play"?
It may surprise you to know that the games started before there even was a nation of Israel and before the holocaust (1932), but after the rise of even more anti-jewish sentiment (there was never a low level in Europe, but it had crescendos). So world Jewry were in need of some cohesiveness and why not play some games amongst the family? Perhaps slightly bitter white guys, after so many decades of declining fortune, could use just that sort of pick-me-up! You could start the Slightly Bitter White Guy Games! The big question is, do you allow slightly bitter jewish white guys...  (also, it is goyim) 
-philip
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07-03-2008, 10:37 PM
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| Well, how about Palestinians?
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07-03-2008, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by fencerbill Well, how about Palestinians? | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arab_Games | |
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07-03-2008, 11:06 PM
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07-03-2008, 11:10 PM
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The Maccabiah Games (Hebrew: מַכַּבִּיָּה) is an international Jewish athletic event similar to the Olympics. The Maccabiah is held in Israel every four years under the auspices of the Maccabi Federation, a part of the Maccabi World Union. [1]. Although primarily for Jewish athletes, Arab Israelis can also participate. | |
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07-03-2008, 11:35 PM
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07-04-2008, 01:56 AM
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| How about the Judean People's Liberation Front Games? Or maybe the People's Front of Judea Games? (I think that one might have only one athlete/official/tournament organizer.)
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07-04-2008, 02:09 AM
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07-04-2008, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by counterattack Sam,
You could start the Slightly Bitter White Guy Games! The big question is, do you allow slightly bitter jewish white guys... (also, it is goyim)
-philip | Slightly bitter old guys. That would be a good tournament, and probably the best beer. As for goyim, I found it spelled that way on line and presumed it was correct.
Still I enjoyed and aprreciate your response and the short history. It was also nice to hear from another response that they allow arabs, just not others. That's a step.
When we hold Scottish games, all are welcome to toss the caber. Now why anyone would do that while being subject to bagpipe music I cannot guess.
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07-04-2008, 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rdg
Sorry, friendly responses from WAPM only.
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| Am I the only one puzzled by the abbreviation?
Warm
American
Paranoid
Mensches????????????
Weekly
Amelia Eahart seeking
Parasitic
Mosquitoes???????
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07-04-2008, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.MightyMouse Am I the only one puzzled by the abbreviation?
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Mensches???????????? | Mensches: That's pretty nice. Responsible men. I expected worse when I looked it up. Only I did find earlier that my internet spelled goyim wrong, so maybe it is defined wrong here too.
Paranoid Mensches sounds more flattering. I kind of like that.
Warm American Paranoid Mensches: now that sounds like a cougar call. Oh fencer girl where are you?
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