USOC and USFencing - Discussion

[noodle]

@everyone:

tone it down a bit, the attacks, the rhetoric, etc.. increase civility level, please.

[epeemike81]

So, "Mike." I know your name, but I still don't know who you are. I have never heard of you mentioned in any competitive, administrative, parental or coaching context.

What have you actually done in the world of fencing that would make us want to sit up and listen?

Enlighten me.

I don't quite see how my credentials (or even lack thereof) in the world of fencing have anything to do with the topic my post was addressing, which was simple civility on this forum.

This isn't a job interview. Feel free to think of me as a know-nothing nobody: It matters not a bit to me.

-m

[tchwojko]

@everyone:

tone it down a bit, the attacks, the rhetoric, etc.. increase civility level, please.

If I'm not extending my arm while I type, is it an attack?

[noodle]

If I'm not extending my arm while I type, is it an attack?

only if you started typing first. caps lock sometimes helps sway judges

[heretic]

it isn't mike's job to inform you of who he is. the only reason its being brought up is because he said something you specifically didn't like, and it seems you're somehow trying to pull an appeal to authority fallacy or straw man. all of the other anonymous posters who were agreeing with you didn't need to clarify their credentials.

and apparently neither did you, since you were posting partly anonymously until someone else outed your exact identity. so it can't be anything other than a "i'm trying to prove i'm somehow more important than you so your opinion doesn't matter" move, which everyone knows doesn't work on the internet.

I do not agree. In his frequent posts, he has positioned himself as something of a pundit: on USFA politics, the world of fencing, even civility. I have never hidden my identity because I am not afraid to take ownership of my ideas and actions. Anyone with a clue about US fencing and a marginal sense of history knows what I have accomplished.

And guess what: all opinions are not created equal; if I wanted a tactical analysis of a specific epeeist, I would value the input of Kornel Udvarhelyi far more than Epee-Mike. He can claim moral superiority, strap a convenient label on me, condemn my lack of civility, but in the end, that's just petty posturing. We are defined by the actions we have taken - not in some chat room - but in the real world.

So I ask you once again, Epee Mike, who are you really? What have you actually done? Maybe you are afraid of being outed after all.

[epeemike81]

I...if I wanted a tactical analysis of a specific epeeist, I would value the input of Kornel Udvarhelyi far more than Epee-Mike.

For the record, so would I.

Who I am is out there for all to see and judge for themselves. If you want to choose to disregard my opinion based on that, feel free.

I frankly didn't expect to change your mind about anything (least of all the need to display slightly more maturity than a middle school child), hence why my post was addressed as an object lesson to others.

-m

[fdad]

I think this can only be settled with epees in the schoolyard.

[heretic]

For the record, so would I.

Who I am is out there for all to see and judge for themselves. If you want to choose to disregard my opinion based on that, feel free.

I frankly didn't expect to change your mind about anything (least of all the need for SOME civility), hence why my post was addressed as an object lesson to others.

-m

Ooooo, an object lesson to others. So, are you a teacher? Is your life's mission to use that hypertrophied sense of moral rectitude to shape the minds of those less enlightened and so incapable of understanding my damnable lack of civility?

Come on man, is that the best you've got?

[epeemike81]

Come on man, is that the best you've got?

yup.

-m

[TooLoftheDeviL]

Ooooo, an object lesson to others. So, are you a teacher? Is your life's mission to use that hypertrophied sense of moral rectitude to shape the minds of those less enlightened and so incapable of understanding my damnable lack of civility?

Come on man, is that the best you've got?

The best he's got?

Nobody is doing a better job of making you look like a self-righteous asshat than you are.

[tchwojko]

Come on man, is that the best you've got?

What are you trying to accomplish? And can you state it without being condescending or insulting?

[heretic]

I'm trying to find out who this person is. He opines with great authority, so is it all that unreasonable to ask for his existential credentials? Why is that so threatening?

[fdad]

I'm trying to find out who this person is. He opines with great authority, so is it all that unreasonable to ask for his existential credentials? Why is that so threatening?

You have his name, and thanks to Al Gore you have the internet (and google), why isn't that enough?

[heretic]

What's in a name?

[noodle]

I'm trying to find out who this person is. He opines with great authority, so is it all that unreasonable to ask for his existential credentials? Why is that so threatening?

look around here:
http://www.prisedefer.com/
http://foc.askfred.net/Referee/index.php

[heretic]

look around here:
http://www.prisedefer.com/
http://foc.askfred.net/Referee/index.php

Very enlightening. Here is what I now know about Epeemike81:

Coach Prise de Fer Fencing Club - see no references to any formal coaching education, so is it fair to assume that he has none?
Head Coach Dana Hall School since 2006 - now I can ask my Boston fencing friends for their assessment.
Over 10 years competitive fencing experience - National ranking? international experience? classification? Who were his coaches?
National Medalist - in what?

Good start.

[noodle]

Very enlightening. Here is what I now know about Epeemike81:

Coach Prise de Fer Fencing Club - see no references to any formal coaching education, so is it fair to assume that he has none?
Head Coach Dana Hall School since 2006 - now I can ask my Boston fencing friends for their assessment.
Over 10 years competitive fencing experience - National ranking? international experience? classification? Who were his coaches?
National Medalist - in what?

Good start.

you know, i wish they had some sort of world wide interconnection of computers that you could search for the information that you're asking for. that would really make things a lot easier, it would make it so that one wouldn't have to demand the information from others, it would make you empowered and enabled to not be lazy and look up the information on your own.

[heretic]

I appreciate your effort, and I will do the rest on my own. I can ask Ben Bratton and Dwight Smith if they have seen him fence. Peter Brand can tell me all about his rep in the Boston area. Maybe Jeff Bukantz (yes, the much maligned Jeff Bukantz) has seen him ref.

Thanks for your help.

[KD5MDK]

Just to help your searches a little bit, he has admitted a more accurate name would be sabremike81 at this point, but he signed up here a long time ago.

[heretic]

Is he a saber fencer?