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Old 06-18-2008, 10:43 AM   #21
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Do you think proportional representation is a good idea in an election for 3 seats? (Is there a minimum number where PR becomes a bad idea? I'd certainly think so.)
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Do you think proportional representation is a good idea in an election for 3 seats? (Is there a minimum number where PR becomes a bad idea? I'd certainly think so.)
Why?

As the number of seats decreases, the average proportionality (when considering several consecutive elections) decreases. With three seats, one will have 2-1 situation or a 3-0 situation. With a winner-takes-all system, one will always have a 3-0 situation.

Why would the latter always be better than the former?


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You didn't cite 1, which seems to me to be a number of seats in which proportional representation is completely unworkable. Of course, it depends highly on how you perform the apportioning. For example, in a 3 seat election, what % of the vote does a party need in order to get a seat? Is it 33%? Less? Also, in situations where there are not parties, how does one determine the fairness of apportionment?

As far as better: Generally, the amount of work that gets done scales with the number of people involved, though not linearly. At the same time, the more the people involved in work disagree, the less work that gets done. Depending on how much they disagree, it could reach 0. This is probably why it's very uncommon to have dual-leadership: If both people get along, you could just have one as deputy of the other. If they don't, they'll cancel out whatever work would get completed.

Therefore, as the number of people in a job increases, the less they have to agree in order for work to get done. In a small group such as the Executive Committee of the USFA, the opportunity cost of the members not agreeing on working together could be extremely high. Of course, this all depends on how well the different candidates for an office could work together, and that's something everyone would have to work for themselves.
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Old 06-19-2008, 03:38 AM   #24
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As the number of seats decreases, the average proportionality (when considering several consecutive elections) decreases. With three seats, one will have 2-1 situation or a 3-0 situation. With a winner-takes-all system, one will always have a 3-0 situation.

Why would the latter always be better than the former?
In my observational experience, proportional representation and preferential voting systems tend to be better used to determine the memberships of legislative bodies (i.e., parliaments), wherein each of the elected members have identical duties and powers, not in executive bodies where divided portfolios are assigned even to technically equivalent positions. This is consistent with jursidictions utilizing typical parliamentary-style governance, where the legislative body includes proportionality of representation amongst that body, but wherein the executive officers (i.e., ministers) are selected by the majority legislative party (or by a majority coalition, by agreement amongst the coalition members) with little, if any, representation amongst those executive officers by members of the minority party/parties.
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An even better description. Also, the only exception that springs to mind (Switzerland) bases it on a rigid political tradition of how things are done fairly and is apparently having some trouble with their system now.
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