06-09-2008, 03:33 PM
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| Speed builders and drills
Right now I do ladder drills and sprints. What do you all do to build speed on the strip, other than fencing. 
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06-09-2008, 03:37 PM
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#2 | | Scrub
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06-09-2008, 03:43 PM
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| And here I've been spending all my money on fencing...
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06-09-2008, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HDG  meth | So that's the secret! It explains so much... the slender forms, the graceful slaps, the lightning speed.
Ba dum ching. 
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06-09-2008, 04:54 PM
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#5 | | Scavenger
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| I let my opponents be fast for me.
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06-09-2008, 04:59 PM
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| I can be fast on the strip, but as you know, I tend not to. I like to keep good distance, and watch for mistakes and openings that I can attack or counter attack into, without necessarily moving too much.
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06-09-2008, 05:27 PM
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| What do you mean by speed? Speed of movement, speed of reaction, speed of perception? | |
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06-09-2008, 07:02 PM
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| Specifically leg speed in short bursts.
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06-09-2008, 07:05 PM
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| Plyos, sprints, a little lifting for explosiveness occasionnally.
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06-09-2008, 07:59 PM
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| I'd rather find ways of slowing down. That would lessen the pace at which I impale myself on my opponents' points.
"I figured if you're going to be great, you've got to play a lot of notes, right? not Charlie - he'd hit one note and he'd own it ..." - Les Paul
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06-09-2008, 08:14 PM
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| Outside of the whole foil = classical thing I'm not sure I follow...
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06-09-2008, 08:21 PM
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| Sabrists do a lot of head banging.
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06-09-2008, 08:41 PM
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| Speed is not the best measure to winning. Speed only helps with acurate timing, control and luck.
For speed drills our students run up and down the strairs, jumprope and do varies footwork speeds to a metronome. Also, for speed of wrist we have a series of handball games we work with. | |
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06-09-2008, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdawg2121 Outside of the whole foil = classical thing I'm not sure I follow... | Well it's an analogy that represents how I see the weapons. Whether it makes sense to anyone else, I can't say.
Foil has more structure, more action-response-counter response. The tempos are enforced through right of way.
Saber is a flurry of uptempo staccato, with simple themes, strong execution, and very loud.
Epee is all about the spaces in between the actions, creating dissonances in all the right places, and impromptu riffs off the other fencer. | |
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06-09-2008, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by foiled once again Speed only helps with acurate timing, control and luck. | That is quite a lot, I don't know how you feel but timing and control are a big part of fencing no matter what weapon you fence.
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06-10-2008, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tchwojko Well it's an analogy that represents how I see the weapons. Whether it makes sense to anyone else, I can't say.
Foil has more structure, more action-response-counter response. The tempos are enforced through right of way.
Saber is a flurry of uptempo staccato, with simple themes, strong execution, and very loud.
Epee is all about the spaces in between the actions, creating dissonances in all the right places, and impromptu riffs off the other fencer. | I mostly got that part. Generally I think that most simplifications of this type speak to a lack of understanding/appreciation of the weapons themselves. The ability to utilize all aspects above is absolutely necessary to be successful in any weapon.
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06-10-2008, 12:45 AM
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06-10-2008, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdawg2121 I mostly got that part. Generally I think that most simplifications of this type speak to a lack of understanding/appreciation of the weapons themselves. The ability to utilize all aspects above is absolutely necessary to be successful in any weapon. | Well, it wasn't meant to be a simplification, but rather an analogy.
High quality music of each of the genres I mentioned also requires utilizing all aspects of music theory, technique, etc. They just each have different flavors to them. Feel free to over analyze and get into how inversions map to techniques, and which weapon lays claim to the Mixolydian mode, but I really wasn't planning on taking it that far. | |
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06-10-2008, 03:53 AM
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| I prefer to think of epee as early minimalist electronica- a definite rhythem, but you have to listen very hard to notice the minute changes in the pace and theme, and then the slow weaving of many themes into one.
I've mentioned it before, but there's video floating around of the Italian team's plyometric drills floating around somewhere. It's mind-boggling and very, very good. | |
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06-10-2008, 05:28 AM
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#20 | | Immortal
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Originally Posted by telkanuru I've mentioned it before, but there's video floating around of the Italian team's plyometric drills floating around somewhere. It's mind-boggling and very, very good. | You used to be able to buy it off the Allstar.de site.
It is not intended for people with knee problems.
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