A "dictator" is a person trying to save his country from west?

[Kalle]

The so called political correctness has gone too far. It allouds internationally tailored lies about countries where UK, US and EU wants to increase their economic grip. So as Zimbabwe. Or Ukraine. Or Myanmar. Or Serbia in the previous conflict at Balkan. I have made research on that conflict.

[telkanuru]

A dictator is an authoritarian ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole power over his or her state

Nothing about the West.

[Kalle]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

Nothing about the West.

The "clerk"(civil cervant)-politican Milosevic, by western ("international")media named "the butcher of Balkan", or the habit of smearing uncomfortable african leaders "cannibals", molesters of children, and so on and so forth, lay bare an old trick in western politics. So UK already 1800--? intentionally smeared the nice king Theebaw in upper Burma when they wanted hands free to occupy that area.

[telkanuru]

Originally Posted by Kalle

The "clerk"(civil cervant)-politican Milosevic, by western ("international")media named "the butcher of Balkan", or the habit of smearing uncomfortable african leaders "cannibals", molesters of children, and so on and so forth, lay bare an old trick in western politics. So UK already 1800--? intentionally smeared the nice king Theebaw in upper Burma when they wanted hands free to occupy that area.

Your grasp on the English language seems a bit weak. Perhaps you should brush up before trying to tell us how we use it?

[Neinteen]

Oh god another lemonaide.

[jeff]

It has to be a troll. Nobody could be that stupid, could they?

Oh, well - yes, I suppose they could - but somebody defending Mugabe (his thugs even now starving and beating up political opponents) or the crew of murderers running Myanmar, that's pretty hard to believe.

[Shi no Tenshi]

Apparently, our propaganda to the americans is so good that it even works on the serbians, as the majority of them didn't like Milosevic either. We are a crazy brainwashing machine!

[Neinteen]

Maybe he just likes the name Slobadon. I know i do.

Either that or he's a troll. An oppressed troll, not living under a dictator, but probably under his mom's kitchen in a suburban 3-bed 2-bath American basement with posters of Hannah Montana and Kids Bop CDs laying around.

[Inquartata]

Well, at least now we can guess at his/her country of origin.

[Neinteen]

And then blame that country for this abomination. Btw, where's your area of origin Inq? I have quite the hate speech for them.

[Grimaldi]

Let's not hammer the guy on his English. While difficult to understand, he gets his point across, and it's better than my foreign language skills.

Anyway...

Originally Posted by Kalle

It allouds internationally tailored lies about countries where UK, US and EU wants to increase their economic grip. So as Zimbabwe. Or Ukraine. Or Myanmar. Or Serbia in the previous conflict at Balkan. I have made research on that conflict.

He has an excellent point. Think of all the economic riches in those countries he listed...well, maybe not Myanmar or Zimbabwe, but the Ukraine is fairly advanced! Of course, there's nothing in the US talking about the Ukraine being corrupt or evil, so I guess that's out.

Serbia! They did kill a lot of Bosnians, but I suppose you could argue it was a sovereignty issue, and while not an economic powerhouse, they're probably better off than Myanmar. Of course, NATO/UN is STILL in Bosnia, and the situation won't be resolved for some time, so I'm going to have to guess that the Western nations have spent a great deal more on invading/occupying/rebuilding the area than they are getting out of it, or will get anytime soon.

I guess that means I don't see your point at all.

[Kalle]

Originally Posted by Grimaldi

Let's not hammer the guy on his English. While difficult to understand, he gets his point across, and it's better than my foreign language skills.

Anyway...



He has an excellent point. Think of all the economic riches in those countries he listed...well, maybe not Myanmar or Zimbabwe, but the Ukraine is fairly advanced! Of course, there's nothing in the US talking about the Ukraine being corrupt or evil, so I guess that's out.

Serbia! They did kill a lot of Bosnians, but I suppose you could argue it was a sovereignty issue, and while not an economic powerhouse, they're probably better off than Myanmar. Of course, NATO/UN is STILL in Bosnia, and the situation won't be resolved for some time, so I'm going to have to guess that the Western nations have spent a great deal more on invading/occupying/rebuilding the area than they are getting out of it, or will get anytime soon.

I guess that means I don't see your point at all.

Sorry to hear that my english is far from enjoyable. Not long ago western people pityed the population of southern Africa and rejoyced over Mugabe. But as soon as the british again need something from them (I do'nt know what resources they have to offer - is it oil there too, or uranium or diamonds or what?) they want to oust him out and support the "opposition". This is the old story. No respect at all for powerless peoples selfdetermination.

[Kalle]

Mugabe was once quite popular in the west when they tried to cover their sins against southern Africans. As soon as the british again needed something from this part of the world - (What was it? - Oil, uranium, diamonds..?) they smeared the old man. Nobody can stay welthy and in power when big powers are harrassing your economy if you do not obey and accept their terms in economy. All this resistance is a sign of the ruthless behaviour agains these preindustrial countries which like their own way best.

Do you have to be in my age to think like this? Is it some kind of 60ths-thinking? That would be a sad story. Because it is better to be on the good side whatever happens in worldpolitics. You are pinker then.

[Shi no Tenshi]

You are using a bad example to get your point across, therefore confusing those you are trying to impress it upon. Mugabe and his party kill the opposition. If you think that is a good way of doing things, try being the opposition sometime, and then whine about not getting any support.

[OROD]

Originally Posted by Kalle

Nobody can stay welthy and in power when big powers are harrassing your economy if you do not obey and accept their terms in economy.

Uhmm, Fidel Castro?

There are many other examples, but I think one is enough to refute your argument so I wont waste too much time with it.

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[Grimaldi]

Originally Posted by OROD

Uhmm, Fidel Castro?

There are many other examples, but I think one is enough to refute your argument so I wont waste too much time with it.

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I don't know if I'd count Castro or Kim Jong Il...sure, they're in power, but wealthy? I guess they may be personally, but I was reading it as the leader's nation being wealthy, which would be very difficult without significant foreign trade and interaction, which is what kills Cuba and N. Korea.

As for Kalle's original point, I don't think Western nations are really big on invading and conquering foreign nations anymore...they kind of got out of that business after WWI. Sure, they've dabbled in the affairs of nations with mineral wealth and supported dictators (Saddam Hussein) to keep resources flowing uninterrupted, but trumping up chrages to justify an invasion purely to gain control of the nation and its resources? A recent example doesn't come to mind (although some will claim Iraq is a good example).

[Inquartata]

Please stop trying to puncture the world's illusions about the US with reality...