USFA Election 2008 Debate Question #9: Veteran Fencing

[teacup]

Originally Posted by wbowman

Here's something else that ought to be addressed -- prompted by a remark in another thread:

BIGGER font for pool and seeding lists!!!

Well, I think people have been waiting ten years for that.

How about magnifying glasses with the USFA logo for sale at all events?

[KD5MDK]

You want more lawsuits from ProPrintwear?

[teacup]

Okay, skip the logo.

[fencerbill]

Originally Posted by teacup

Well, I think people have been waiting ten years for that.

How about magnifying glasses with the USFA logo for sale at all events?

Newcomer, about 18 years for me.

[jjefferies]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

Note that the "deleted some material" included $10,000 worth of veteran's donations.

-B

I believe your post showed 06 and 07 as $0.00. Or was there something else you were referring to?

[teacup]

Originally Posted by fencerbill

Newcomer, about 18 years for me.

That's even sadder, for over 18 years and people are still asking for a bigger font.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

05-06 Donations continued to be split out into the six categories listed above. The approved budget included $1,000 in Veteran's Donations, the yearend projection that I have (unfortunately undated, so I'm not sure which report, but I assume July '06 based on other evidence) came in at $10,000.

Originally Posted by jjefferies

In 04-05 we had a $12,600 donation for/from vets and since then we've had $0.00 donated for/from vets.

Originally Posted by jjefferies

I believe your post showed 06 and 07 as $0.00. Or was there something else you were referring to?

I was merely pointing out that your "deleted some material" included a reference to $10,000 worth of donations during the time period during which you cited $0.00 coming in.

So, yes, I was referring to something other than the $0.00 during 06-07. I was referring to the $10,000 during 05-06. Thought that was obvious from what I posted.

Doesn't change the reported amounts of $0.00 last season or this season (up through the February report), of course. Or that the amounts targetted (and then achieved) should be considerably above ANY of the figures that we've had historically.

-B

[jjefferies]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

I was merely pointing out that your "deleted some material" included a reference to $10,000 worth of donations during the time period during which you cited $0.00 coming in.

So, yes, I was referring to something other than the $0.00 during 06-07. I was referring to the $10,000 during 05-06. Thought that was obvious from what I posted.

Doesn't change the reported amounts of $0.00 last season or this season (up through the February report), of course. Or that the amounts targetted (and then achieved) should be considerably above ANY of the figures that we've had historically.

-B

Sorry may have misunderstood the following:

Originally Posted by oiuyt

05-06 Donations continued to be split out into the six categories listed above. The approved budget included $1,000 in Veteran's Donations, the yearend projection that I have (unfortunately undated, so I'm not sure which report, but I assume July '06 based on other evidence) came in at $10,000."

Which I read to mean you had $1,000 in Veteran's Donations out of $10,000 combined amounts. Which agreed, is more than $0.0 but if we were describing a curve it's in the wrong direction which then bottoms out at $0.0.

My point was that Paul Levy went out and solicited the donations for Veterans events and got some $10,000+. Then when he felt that his efforts were being abused or redirected from where the donors were intending the money to go he said "screw this" and quit doing the solicitations which resulted in $0.0 being donated. All of which has resulted in his support for the alternate slate.

[Peach]

I still don't quite get why Paul is supporting the alternate slate (I got his e-mail message to veterans, of course) since the nominated slate is not (as has been pointed out ad nauseam) made up of insiders nor was it nominated by insiders. I think Tracy did ask him if he'd be on the slate, though, IIRC.

[jjefferies]

Originally Posted by Peach

I still don't quite get why Paul is supporting the alternate slate (I got his e-mail message to veterans, of course) since the nominated slate is not (as has been pointed out ad nauseam) made up of insiders nor was it nominated by insiders. I think Tracy did ask him if he'd be on the slate, though, IIRC.

I've not had a chance to talk to him directly either, we only meet at NAC's and the times I've made the Vet team, so I can only hark back to what we discussed before. But my impression is that he's had it with the same old same old and would like to try to shake things up. He's pretty adamant in his desire to support Veterans' fencing. Given his background as a judge and natural Vet tendency to be conservative he's been pretty solid in his support for change and the USFFC.

[ATCurry]

Originally Posted by Peach

I still don't quite get why Paul is supporting the alternate slate (I got his e-mail message to veterans, of course) since the nominated slate is not (as has been pointed out ad nauseam) made up of insiders nor was it nominated by insiders. I think Tracy did ask him if he'd be on the slate, though, IIRC.

I have seen this statement alot. Question from someone who is mostly ignorant of USFA politics. . . Who are these insiders which have been so successfully been avoided? I would like to avoid them in the future as well.

[Peach]

Originally Posted by jjefferies

(snip) natural Vet tendency to be conservative

Um . . . no Curmudgeonly, yes, perhaps, and perhaps we have learned to keep our politics to ourselves in casual conversation, but we don't necessarily tend to be conservative.

[Peach]

Originally Posted by ATCurry

I have seen this statement alot. Question from someone who is mostly ignorant of USFA politics. . . Who are these insiders which have been so successfully been avoided? I would like to avoid them in the future as well.

I don't know who they are. They're all inside where it's dark.

[fencerbill]

Originally Posted by Peach

I still don't quite get why Paul is supporting the alternate slate (I got his e-mail message to veterans, of course) since the nominated slate is not (as has been pointed out ad nauseam) made up of insiders nor was it nominated by insiders. I think Tracy did ask him if he'd be on the slate, though, IIRC.

Simple, he wasn't nominated.

[Peach]

Originally Posted by fencerbill

Simple, he wasn't nominated.

But he didn't put his name in the hat in the first place when the committee was looking for interested people. That implies he wasn't interested then. I'll have to ask him.

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by Peach

Curmudgeonly, yes, perhaps,

"Who summons the wiz---oh, it's you guys. Hey."

BTW, what is this email of which you speak? I did not get it...

[Peach]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

"Who summons the wiz---oh, it's you guys. Hey."

BTW, what is this email of which you speak? I did not get it...

It was basically the platform of the alternate slate, and Paul (if I read the header right) basically sent it to his e-mail list from when he was chair of the Veterans Committee.

[Inquartata]

The only email I got from any veteran was from JJefferies...

Huh. I know I'm on that list, but nothing from Paul.

Oh, well. Would have been wasted on me anyway.

[ysbadadden]

You don't need new software to get larger fonts -- you just need a copying machine with enlargement capability -- probably available at the venue. Or a small scanner attached to a laptop.