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Old 05-29-2008, 02:58 PM   #81
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There are divisions that charge to sanction tournaments? Our division requires all tournaments to be sanctioned at the beginning of the season; when we finalize our division calendar. If a club wants to add a tournament after that date they must do so two weeks before the event and it must be approved by the division ex-com. I would think charging to sanction a tournament would be a questionable business practice. IMHO.
Our typical practice is actually thirty days' notice, absent emergency situations, although for the last several years we've been able to have one unified calendar at the beginning of the season with few tweaks, the most notable exception being the scheduling of divisionals this year. On the charge to sanction, it can be an appropriate division fundraiser, particularly in those divisions that allow the hosting club to retain profits from the entries. The biggest challenge facing any such scheme, though, is to ensure that fairness is applied in allocation of tournaments and sanctioning fees -- many of the divisional disputes occur not only over tournament scheduling, but over divisional events being used as money funnels for the largest clubs (i.e., the ones with the most votes and/or organized proxy system) ...
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I would think charging to sanction a tournament would be a questionable business practice. IMHO.
Charging to sanction a tournament is not a questionable business practice in itself. [Though how some divisions go about it is questionable.]


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If a club wants to add a tournament after that date they must do so two weeks before the event and it must be approved by the division ex-com.
However having to seek and gain your competitors' approval to run an event is a very questionable practice. A lot of division ex-coms include a rep from each club in the division so that means your business competitors are being asked to approve or deny your business proposal. That's simply wrong.
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However having to seek and gain your competitors' approval to run an event is a very questionable practice. A lot of division ex-coms include a rep from each club in the division so that means your business competitors are being asked to approve or deny your business proposal. That's simply wrong.
The approval is only required when the tournament was not Originally scheduled. Example: Club A had a tournament scheduled and it had to be canceled due to weather conditions. Club A can reschedule the tournament with no approval at all. Now if Club A decided to host a tournament that was not on the schedule then they must get the Ex-Com approval. If club A is worried that their tournament will be voted down then they must schedule it at the beginning of the season. Pretty simple to me.

What I don't think is reasonable is to have clubs give a portion of their profits to the division. Who gets to say what is done with that money? I would expect it to be the same business competitors that might not sanction the tournament.

I would rather plan the date of my tournament a few months in advance and get to keep the profits.
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No, but it is a tax change.
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The approval is only required when the tournament was not Originally scheduled. Example: Club A had a tournament scheduled and it had to be canceled due to weather conditions. Club A can reschedule the tournament with no approval at all. Now if Club A decided to host a tournament that was not on the schedule then they must get the Ex-Com approval. If club A is worried that their tournament will be voted down then they must schedule it at the beginning of the season. Pretty simple to me.
Can the ex-com not shoot it down at the beginning of the season just as easy as 30 days out.
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Unless it was scheduled on top of an event already scheduled in that meeting, probably not.
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Can the ex-com not shoot it down at the beginning of the season just as easy as 30 days out.
No. As long as it does not conflict with another tournament. Our division is pretty small, club wise. We have three major clubs and two that are not USFA competition clubs. The three major clubs each host a big tournament. We try to scatter them out on the calendar as best we can. As long as you have your tounaments on the calendar by the set date they are sanctioned.

Only tournament dates not set at the beginging of the season are put to a vote for sanctioning.

Hope that helps.
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