PCCs Prediction

[akaiyuki]

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[DJ Apostrophe]

Sadly you can't list who qualifies through askFRED...

Peet, is there a way we can change that? I've been meaning to ask you that for two or three years now.

Thanks,

-w

[teacup]

This is totally unofficial but for Jr ME, the qualifiers should go down to 17th place.

12 qualify + 5 Autos

Autos
Carnahan (points)
Ginestat (points)
Mandalian (top 16 cadet points)
Burton (points)
Rafidi (top 16 cadet points)

Does that help?

(Jr. WE should go down to 13th place.)

[edew]

So anyone know when the last bout was over on Sunday? Just wondering if I went 2 for 2.

[KD5MDK]

I'd think you should know, but my Section has differing duties for the Vice-Chair than yours.

[edew]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

This tournament was approximately 1/2 a NAC.

Items that match 2:1 scale
Days - NAC: 4 days. PCC: 2 days
Strips - NAC: 48. PCC: 24
Entries - NAC ~1400. PCC: ~700 (from what I heard)
FOC - NAC: 2 PCC: 1
Space between strips and back of where referee can stand - NAC 9 ft. PCC: 4.5 ft.

Differences from the 2:1 scale:

Referees - NAC: 60. PCC: ~20-25
Bout Committee - NAC: 9 PCC: 3
Computers - NAC: 3+ PCC: 1
Events - NAC: ~18 PCC: 18
Grounded strips - NAC: All PCC: 9/24

Well, the number of FOCs shouldn't scale with the number of fencers or strips (probably with the number of events). In any case, we had a number of FOC personnel there who could have done the job if Geri was busy. Not that they should.

However, it does say that NACs could possibly be done in 2 days instead of the current 4. That would help save some money for USFA. If you double the number of entries, you don't need to double both the days and the number of strips. A tournament could make do with either doubling the number of strips (best) than doubling the number of days (worst). Can also do with fewer refs.

Basically, the number of refs should be dependent on the number of strips. The number of strips should be dependent on the size of the largest event and the number of events. So for the PCCs with only 24 or so working (hmm..) strips, it makes no sense to hire more than 30 refs. That said, we managed to just hire 25 or so. There were several fencers who may or may not have been hired before the event who volunteered to referee after competing. Thanks for the help, all.

I think USFA national should look into being slightly more frugal with days and refs in order to rein in the costs.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I'd think you should know, but my Section has differing duties for the Vice-Chair than yours.

EDew and I left for the airport ~6:25 on Sunday. There was still some fencing remaining at that point.

-B

[jjefferies]

Originally Posted by epeelion

Hey, didn't Dylan quit? Glad to see him back, but now I'm confused...

He is going to school at Cal (UC Berkeley). Was fencing at GGFC for his first year. For unknown reasons dropped out for a year/season. Came back and started playing a bit around the UC club. Worked a bit with Abdul, UC's head coach, and has been slowly working back into his game being coached by Abdul at EBFG (East Bay Fencers Gym in Oakland). Thus when Abdul wanted to keep the PCC team epee trophy and bad boy Rob was not available and Frank Denier has been off with injuries, Dylan got asked to be part of the team with Keith and Todd Russell. Todd and Dylan are both at UCB. So the EBFG team B, of Keith Lichten, Dylan Case and Todd Russell worked out pretty well. Keith retains his formidable strengths, Dylan has speed and moments of brilliance and Todd, while not yet quite up to Dylan and Keith's level is an extremely solid and steady epeeist.

So in answer to the implied question, Dylan Case appears to be back in the game working well with Abdul Habek as his coach and fencing at both Cal and EBFG.

[jjefferies]

Originally Posted by veeco

There was another team during that day that went 45-42 against EBFG. Wasn't composed of 4 As, however :-)

What you talking about BOY!. It had an injured A and two B's, one freshly minted. And it was way worse than 45-42, more like 45-32. Frank Denier has been slowly working his way back from a bad shoulder separation suffered in a motorcycle low side drop in Sicily. So his game is still off. I personally gave up 4 touches - 3 to my enemy of old, Mark Wheeler. And our other B was Erik Batoog who seemed to be having a problem getting his stride against those Nasty Hooligans. On one hand it was sort of internal as Mark Wheeler takes lessons at EBFG with Abdul. But Hannah and the young sabreur they stuck in were doing fairly well that day.

[teacup]

Originally Posted by edew

So anyone know when the last bout was over on Sunday? Just wondering if I went 2 for 2.

The WE Team ended at 7:30. (Close of check in was noon with 7 teams.)

The Jr Men's and Women's Epee ended around then too. Medals were done by 7:45

[Phaeton]

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[jjefferies]

Originally Posted by veeco

East Bay FC won Men's Epee Team
LAIFC was second
No way! What was the score?

45-42. It was a hard fought bout though we all wondered why LAIFC substituted ?Carlson? for Demirchian. The lead had been see sawing back and forth but with EBFG mostly in the lead. But the substituion pretty much wrapped the game up.

EBFG had Keith Lichten and Dylan Case who had taken 1st and third in the individuals the precious day. Todd Russll, the third member, had school work to deal with and had to fly in Saturday afternoon. Keith and Dylan have been bouting with each other at EBFG and were in good form. As mentioned in another post Todd Russell while not quite up to their level is a very solid steady epeeist who held up his end of the team but it was definitely Keith and Dylan who drove the winning touches in.

All in all the final bout of the men's team epee was an extremely good match up. LAIC had Eric Hansen, Gagik Demirchian (the coach at LAIC), Jesse Carlson(I'm doing this off my memory so I could have this wrong), Cooper Gegan.

The game that was almost as interesting to watch was LAIC vs NoFear. I was mostly watching EBFG on the next strip so I didn't catch all the action but there were some spectacular knock downs going on over there. Maybe they were real. Gagik even more than Hansen seems to play a "take no prisoners" game. But their game didn't hold up against the smoothness of the EBFG "B" team.

In a minor aside, you may count it as cruel. But you have to know that Abdul, EBFG's coach, has a real thing about learning what's going on. No matter how small the tournament he wants to know your results and will call you at the most awkwards times if you don't call him. Anyway, as soon as the last touch in the team final bout was made I called him. In a sorrowful voice I said "Abdul, it was soooo close 45-42". "The final bout was Keith and Eric Hansen". (Keith has gone through a spate of losing final bouts to Eric.) Then I waited. Abdul comes back "Did we win WHAT HAPPENED". I responded, "Oh just a second let me check". Abdul responds "DON"T DO THIS TO ME". And I handed the phone off to Keith. It cost me 20 minutes of air time while Keith recounted the bout. But it was worth it.

P.S. I'm remembering the final score as 45-42 but you know I might be remembering it wrong, maybe it was 45-43. I had a long six hour drive back and my memory of the day's details may be just a little shaky.

[KD5MDK]

WET had some curious names in it.

[edew]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I'd think you should know, but my Section has differing duties for the Vice-Chair than yours.

I'm the youth vice chair, so I'm not in need to know. And I left at 6:30PM to get to the airport.

[edew]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

WET had some curious names in it.

pseudobicerous hancockanus? I'm typing that down strictly by phonetics and memory (of the pronunciation).

Or are you talking about the haughties and the naughties?

[KD5MDK]

All of the above and below. I was concerned for what the trophies will look like in 10 years.

[seven6ty]

Originally Posted by jjefferies

45-42. It was a hard fought bout though we all wondered why LAIFC substituted ?Carlson? for Demirchian. The lead had been see sawing back and forth but with EBFG mostly in the lead. But the substituion pretty much wrapped the game up.

Gago had been having problems with his eyes, or something to that effect, from what I overheard. I know he was pretty worn out after having fenced the day before too, so we were only using him sparingly throughout the day. I'd usually done pretty darned well against Dylan, although I haven't fenced him in at least 1.5 years, but he's gotten a lot better. Bah, I could've done a bit better and was a bit disappointed. Phooey.

(Retarded calls from the director didn't help either. IE: Saying that it was one continuous action where Dylan did a full speed flesche past me, and that he was intending on hitting me after he had passed me while reaching around back behind him, but we'd been getting a few of those.)

[mfp]

Originally Posted by edew

pseudobicerous hancockanus? I'm typing that down strictly by phonetics and memory (of the pronunciation).

Close. It's pseudobiceros hancockanus with "eros" at the end of the first word.

http://www.pbs.org/kcet/shapeoflife/...nt_explo2.html

[edew]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

All of the above and below. I was concerned for what the trophies will look like in 10 years.

Other than having more names entered onto them, they ain't gonna get any better. Maybe one of the tasks of the new administration is to send all the team trophies to a good trophy/restoration shop and have them professionally redetailed and spit shined and toned up. They are very cool trophies. Some of the best looking team trophies among fencing competitions.

[jjefferies]

Originally Posted by seven6ty

I'd usually done pretty darned well against Dylan, although I haven't fenced him in at least 1.5 years, but he's gotten a lot better. Bah, I could've done a bit better and was a bit disappointed. Phooey.

I fully understand the disappointment as I'd had a terrible weekend myself. Sixty three year old hands just decided to hurt for some unknown reason. Regarding Dylan, I'd thought that for reasons unknown to me his game had gone down a bit since I first knew him. But in the last few weeks he's been focusing and putting his energy back into fencing. Abdul stresses a very athletic approach in his warmup and group footwork. Then with a steady diet of bouting Keith and the rest of EBFG, he's been putting the edge back on his game in record time. And it could be he just had a really good weekend.

But it was a great bout. When I left Frank was moaning about having to transport the trophy back to Oakland. And he was already carrying around another sample fencing statue/trophy that he's acting as a marketer for.