USFA accepts Election

[ivlobane]

Does the ability to bribe 2% of the membership give Tracy the right to speak for the other 98%?

I dare you to come up to me at any next competition, look me in the eyes and tell me that Tracy Hurley bribed me.

[Philistine]

Yes, very informative indeed! Condescension dripping from almost every paragraph. No wonder oso97 nominated him

I don't know--I thought it was actually more measured in tone than the posts it responded to; and was quite informative, to boot.

I think both slates have had quite a lot of crap slung at them through this whole process, and for the most part have been quite reasoned in their responses.

One thing I think everyone would do well to bear in mind is that these are unpaid positions that require a substantial amount of work and commitment. It really appears (at least IMHO) that both slates honestly have the best interests of the USFA at heart--whether or not they agree on the ultimate ends or the means to get there.

--Philistine

[CadetVet]

One thing I think everyone would do well to bear in mind is that these are unpaid positions that require a substantial amount of work and commitment. It really appears (at least IMHO) that both slates honestly have the best interests of the USFA at heart--whether or not they agree on the ultimate ends or the means to get there.

--Philistine

We all need to remember this.

[KD5MDK]

More than 150 posts later, this question still hasn't been answered.

It was a good question with great reasoning, and has been completely ignored. It's not the only direct question in this post that hasn't been addressed. Rhetoric, excuses and huge plans for the future aside, I prefer my is dotted and ts crossed. The answer to this question is fundamental as we try to pick the appropriate people to move the USFA forward effectively in the coming years. Details count. I know for whom I'm voting now.

The question was asked and answered at the Election Committee meeting in Portland. The answer is they were aware of the deadline.

[epeemike81]

The question was asked and answered at the Election Committee meeting in Portland. The answer is they were aware of the deadline.

As I recall, the answer they gave was far from this simple... It related to when petitioners became "candidates"...

I'll leave it to Tracy to clarify that complex argument, as I don't want to color it or inadvertantly put words in her mouth.

-m

[ivlobane]

The question was asked and answered at the Election Committee meeting in Portland. The answer is they were aware of the deadline.

They were also aware that they were not candidates until the petition signatures were validated.

[dekko]

I don't know--I thought it was actually more measured in tone than the posts it responded to; and was quite informative, to boot.

I think both slates have had quite a lot of crap slung at them through this whole process, and for the most part have been quite reasoned in their responses.

One thing I think everyone would do well to bear in mind is that these are unpaid positions that require a substantial amount of work and commitment. It really appears (at least IMHO) that both slates honestly have the best interests of the USFA at heart--whether or not they agree on the ultimate ends or the means to get there.

--Philistine

Philistone, there is no place for logic or reason in any fnet thread, especially in this thread.

All of this reminds me of what was said in Brewster's Millions, Why would people spend so much money(in this case time and effort) for a job that pays much less than the effort being put into getting it.(paraphrased) This could be cause to make one wonder.

[ivlobane]

Then in 2011/2012 we can move to a system in which people get paid as they walk out the door at the end of the tournament.

Greg

This is ludicrous and insane in the age of real-time financial tools, in 2008...

[KD5MDK]

I'm not sure how real-time financial tools alter the income-obligations ratio.

[epeemike81]

This is ludicrous and insane in the age of real-time financial tools, in 2008...

I'm not sure how real-time financial tools alter the income-obligations ratio.

They don't. Ivlobane is yet another person who doesn't fully understand the situation but feels completely comfortable shooting down the opinions of someone who does.

Then again, what else did we expect of Baghdad Bob.

-m

[ivlobane]

Quote:
**Originally Posted by T
Is buying a projector and hooking it to a computer (with something larger than a 10 pitch font) such a big problem that it can't be resolved over a weekend?**

I think this one has been pretty well covered. The simple answer is yes, it is a sufficiently large problem that it can't be solved over a weekend.

Utter defeatist garbadge. I have seen presentations from a projector much like this one (3000+ lumens) be clearly visible in outdoor sunlight. All you have to do is print the same pages to a .pdf and display them. Many other technical solutions as well.

[epeelion]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg_D View Post
Does the ability to bribe 2% of the membership give Tracy the right to speak for the other 98%?

I dare you to come up to me at any next competition, look me in the eyes and tell me that Tracy Hurley bribed me.

Oh come on...let's not use that kind of talk. There's really no need to threaten. I'm sure Greg would have a civil discussion with you, and saying "I dare you to say that to my face" is unnecessary, and insulting. And while I'm not sure it was a bribe, I do think it's poor taste to give stuff out in return for someone signing a petition.

Much as I usually agree with you, let's keep this civil. I'd rather see more back and forth between the actual candidates involved than peanut gallery comments.

Utter defeatist Garbage.

What the hell? I'm sure there are issues involved that we have no good idea about, and using such ludicrously strong language doesn't prove your point. This isn't about being defeatist or optimistic, this is about how to actually have a plan, and Greg has shown us at least the beginnings of one, and a good understanding of what he's going to need to do. Everyone just chill out. Let the candidates do the talking.

[Allen Evans]

This is ludicrous and insane in the age of real-time financial tools, in 2008...

Payroll or honorarium obligations for contract employees paid by a non-profit are a little more complicated than simply setting up a Pay Pal account.

AE

[ivlobane]

You know, I'm just fed up. All I hear from Tracy's campaign are ideas and solutions and all I hear from the other side are reason why things will not work.

And to imply that I took a bribe from her, is an insult, for which one will face consequences. Looking me in the eyes and saying that has a very different dynamic than on-line. If he's prepared to do that, we will take it from there, if he's not, then obviously he's full of ****.

[epeemike81]

Utter defeatist garbadge.

"The Americans are being driven back and anybody who says otherwise is lying!"

Thanks, Baghdad Bob!

-m

[epeemike81]

You know, I'm just fed up. All I hear from Tracy's campaign are ideas and solutions and all I hear from the other side are reason why things will not work.

Then you don't listen very well. Both sides have posted ideas and proposed solutions. the difference is that one side has a good idea about what it takes to ACHIEVE those solutions, while the other doesn't have the necessary experience to follow through on what they promise.

-m

[epeelion]

Then you don't listen very well. Both sides have posted ideas and proposed solutions. the difference is that one side has a good idea about what it takes to ACHIEVE those solutions, while the other doesn't have the necessary experience to follow through on what they promise.

-m

QFT.




Maybe he doesn't have time for the "tough guy" crap. Maybe he's busy doing other things. Maybe it's not true in your case, but it is in others. How is offering prizes in return for signing NOT somewhat weird/suspicious at worst? Why is it incorrect to wonder about it?

Not only that, but the FFC supporters seem to be slinging plenty of crap back, what with the insinuations that the old guard was trying to stop the election, conspiracy theories, etc. BEFORE THE QUESTION WAS EVEN DECIDED (which it was, in favor of having the election). This is why everyone needs to calm the hell down. Seriously. The FFC slate is proposing things which are being refuted if they don't necessarily make sense. Just because they're being shot down, does not imply that they were actually completely right. Maybe they actually won't work. It seems that you're starting with the assumption that Tracey is right at all times. Let the candidates fight it out.

[ivlobane]

Then you don't listen very well. Both sides have posted ideas and proposed solutions. the difference is that one side has a good idea about what it takes to ACHIEVE those solutions, while the other doesn't have the necessary experience to follow through on what they promise.

-m

Possibly, but I do not have time to go through the multitude of posts, some of which are irrelevant. I do have time to go through a website and attend a hour-long webinar on a Sunday.

[epeemike81]

Possibly, but I do not have time to go through the multitude of posts, some of which are irrelevant. I do have time to go through a website and attend a hour-long webinar on a Sunday.

alright, then go through this one: http://usfanominees.com/

-m

[epeelion]

Possibly, but I do not have time to go through the multitude of posts, some of which are irrelevant

Then you really can't make an informed judgment in either direction. Nor can you claim anything about what one side is saying, if you admit to not being completely informed.