Points List Update ?

[Nospam]

Anyone have any info when the points list will be updated? (NAC is complete.)

Who can I contact at USFA to ask?

Kudos to the USFA on running the NAC F - well done. Everyone at our club noticed that results of events were also posted very quickly on the USFA website.

[Mr Epee]

They will be updated shortly...

Until then remember to keep your pants on... and Excel is your friend.

[Allen Evans]

Remember when we were happy just to see the web site up?

AE

[lewis]

I just got an out of office from Corinne saying she is no longer at usfa. I am really sorry she is gone as she has been incredibly helpful to us and very kind. I hope this was her choice.

Is her replacement going to do the points list?

And yeah, it is easy enough to do yourself - highest syc for your kid, in 10, 12 and 14 only next age up rolls down, in cadet and up all scores can be rolled down to count (e.g. if your 14 year old has cadet points they count as one of 4 highest scores but any junior and senior points would not). Look at the old points list and just substitute in.

Not really useful at this point but interesting to a select few.............

[teacup]

The points lists haven't been updated with the junior and cadet team results yet. Final season Junior and Cadet points should include Jr/Cdt Worlds but not Portland.

Once Portland, the SYC's and Jr/Cdt Worlds have been included and last SN and April roll off, then they will need to be posted after May 1 without the junior and cadet fencers who have aged out.

[Montoya]

do Div I points carry over for Cadets and Juniors, but not for Veterans?

[Mr Epee]

do Div I points carry over for Cadets and Juniors, but not for Veterans?

Old people tend to forget where those points came from over the summer.

Also because the year for cadets and juniors starts after their world championships.... which is in early April.

[Nospam]

And yeah, it is easy enough to do yourself - highest syc for your kid, in 10, 12 and 14 only next age up rolls down, in cadet and up all scores can be rolled down to count (e.g. if your 14 year old has cadet points they count as one of 4 highest scores but any junior and senior points would not). Look at the old points list and just substitute in.

.............

Yikes ! Calculating your standing w/b next to impossible to do. Don't forget it's not just your highest SYC finish but how you compare to all the other fencers and where they finished in their respective SYC. Then roll in the previous years results and all other factors. (I know you are just trying to help - I'm not bashing here.)

We are all anxious to see our results !

[Peach]

do Div I points carry over for Cadets and Juniors, but not for Veterans?

Veteran points are calculated with reference to the World Championships (held this year in Limoges in October), dropping off and being replaced as each veteran point event comes around again. World Championships points from the previous worlds are used for seeding throughout the year but not used for team standings for the next Worlds.

There was some discussion among members of the Veterans Committee of using World points for the subsequent team qualification (one of last year's team members for temporary medical reasons was not sure he could recover swiftly enough to qualify this year) but they decided not to do that.

(My point in the discussion was that unlike the younger age groups, veterans are more likely than not to be less fit from year to year rather than more so, so having a current rather than last-year qualification standard ensures a stronger team.)

[oiuyt]

(My point in the discussion was that unlike the younger age groups, veterans are more likely than not to be less fit from year to year rather than more so, so having a current rather than last-year qualification standard ensures a stronger team.)

I think Montoya's question is more along the lines of why doesn't the USFA use results in D1 events in December, January, and April, along with the Vet results in December, March, and July, the way they use the adjacent age category for junior/cadet standings.

Of course a nearer equivalent would be using the 40+ results for the 50-59 and 60+ standings. I believe that's a topic that has been raised mutliple times since the age groups were split.

-B

[Meteoric Iron]

I just got an out of office from Corinne saying she is no longer at usfa. I am really sorry she is gone as she has been incredibly helpful to us and very kind. I hope this was her choice.

Corinne was organized, with a great attitude and ability to focus on the crisis at hand. I will miss her stable presence, too.

[passata_sotto]

I just got an out of office from Corinne saying she is no longer at usfa. I am really sorry she is gone as she has been incredibly helpful to us and very kind. I hope this was her choice.

Is her replacement going to do the points list?

And yeah, it is easy enough to do yourself - highest syc for your kid, in 10, 12 and 14 only next age up rolls down, in cadet and up all scores can be rolled down to count (e.g. if your 14 year old has cadet points they count as one of 4 highest scores but any junior and senior points would not). Look at the old points list and just substitute in.

Not really useful at this point but interesting to a select few.............

There was a notice some time back that Corinne was leaving to go to the private sector and that a very qualified replacement from the Tae Kwon Do community was coming in to do her job. (I believe we can thank Christine for this )

[Nospam]

There was a notice some time back that Corinne was leaving to go to the private sector and that a very qualified replacement from the Tae Kwon Do community was coming in to do her job. (I believe we can thank Christine for this )

What do you mean the Tae Kwon Do community ?

[jjefferies]

There was a notice some time back that Corinne was leaving to go to the private sector and that a very qualified replacement from the Tae Kwon Do community was coming in to do her job. (I believe we can thank Christine for this )

And what do you mean by "go to the private sector"?? The USFA isn't Govt controlled is it? Uh Oh, is that the problem?

[Mr Epee]

And what do you mean by "go to the private sector"?? The USFA isn't Govt controlled is it? Uh Oh, is that the problem?

NGB's have oversight over specific sports.

The USOC has oversight over NGB's

The USOC was incorporated by the US House of Representatives in 1978 with the Ted Steven's Amateur Sports Act.

Good times !

[Peach]

We have had some discussion of using other points in the calculations for World Veteran team standings, but there are a number of reasons against it. One of the main arguments, as I recall, was that including those points would penalize the vets who didn't choose to enter the Vet-combined (or the Division I, though that point is moot since relatively few vet-50 fencers outside of men's epeeists get points in Division I NACs) (I had some a few years ago but have since dropped off the points list). Since in many Vet-combined events there are often quite a few Vet-50 fencers in the top 8 (routinely at least four in WS, and quite a number of the Vet-50 fencers don't enter the Vet-combined), the argument could also be made that the Vet-combined isn't that strong in comparison to the Vet-50; since no world team memberships are on the line, the competition isn't as intense. I have probably forgotten some more important arguments.

I already fence Division I when I can, and routinely enter the Vet-combined events as well as the Vet-50 ones, so I wouldn't mind, but it's the general consensus of my peers that I'm nuts.

[sheck]

Vet-combined isn't that strong in comparison to the Vet-50; since no world team memberships are on the line, the competition isn't as intense. I have probably forgotten some more important arguments.

Side Note:

IMO Vet WC points shouldn't count for Vet 40+ seeding.

BTW I agree with Montoya. Div 1 NAC points should apply.

[Peach]

Why veteran meetings tend to be prolonged and at times peevish. Like-minded people disagree vehemently, especially when they're old enough not to care if they annoy others

[lewis]

USFA says updated points are planned for tomorrow. Corinne still helping out. Replacement is VERY nice. Her name is Jeanna Mendoza.

[sheck]

Why veteran meetings tend to be prolonged and at times peevish. Like-minded people disagree vehemently, especially when they're old enough not to care if they annoy others

Reason I stand clear.