Hi, question..

[SinRift]

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[TooLoftheDeviL]

Yawn...

[HDG]

Originally Posted by SinRift

I'm not sure how this is regarded in the sport of fencing, although I hope for more realism.

If you want more realistic swordplay, try time travel.

This is a sport, not simulated dueling. It evolved from real swordplay just like we humans evolved from lower primates. Would you fault humanity for being insufficiently simian?

[lindajdunn]

You CAN make a living from almost anything. Whether or not you WILL make a living is determined by your level of skill, your opportunities, your persistence, and the level of income you consider to be "making a living". [I know one person who considered $2K per year "making a living" but he was living in a cabin in the wilderness with no electricity or running water.]

This is a sport based upon one's skill and a given set of rules. Until one can develop a holodeck like the one on the Starship Enterprise or some such thing, a sport such as the one you describe is not possible in competition.

However, there is the SCA, http://www.sca.org/ which sounds like it might fit more with what you think fencing should be rather than what it is in the world of competitive sports.

Check out the web site. It might be just what you've been seeking.

[Phantom5588]

Originally Posted by SinRift

Can you make a living from fencing? Not coaching.. :P

If you're really, really good at it, yes. But keep in mind that you have to pay through the nose (for coaching, weapons, entry fees, memberships, and all the little bit that go with) to get to a level where you can actually see substantial monetary profit from fencing (ie international competitions). Just curious, why not coaching?

Originally Posted by SinRift

Is there a high rate of valid hits ruled out because of RoW? I'm curious about this RoW, which logically, doesn't seem to make any sense at all...

A lot of people are curious about ROW...and if you check out past threads, you would see endless arguments about it. Those who don't like ROW, fence epee.

Originally Posted by SinRift

Also, I've seen many "rush" type attacks from both sides, people just flying at eachother going for some poke. IMO, that whoever hits 1st thing is stupid, because in reality your life would be at stake, and you wouldn't be so careless(at least I would hope not). I assure you, some of the jumping assaults I've seen are ridiculous and would definately end in the death of the assailant.

That "flying at each other thing" is called a fleche attack. Fortunately enough, most fleches in fencing aren't fatal. I think like you too, with the real life scenarios, but you should realize that foils, sabres, and epees are nothing like katanas or broadswords. I get the impression that you wouldn't be too keen on epee with it's lack of ROW, simply because of your "reality" mind set.

How long have you been fencing/what weapons do you fence?

Welcome to f.net.

[tchwojko]

I saw the thread topic and thought the thread might be about:
1. How to greet fencers.
2. A typo, a question about fencers and a vertical dimension
3. A typo, a question about banned substances

Then I read the post and realized it was #3.

[HDG]

Originally Posted by Phantom5588

If you're really, really good at it, yes. But keep in mind that you have to pay through the nose (for coaching, weapons, entry fees, memberships, and all the little bit that go with) to get to a level where you can actually see substantial monetary profit from fencing (ie international competitions).

How exactly is it that high-level fencers are making money from fencing? Cash prizes? Endorsements?

[freerider258]

Originally Posted by SinRift

Is there a high rate of valid hits ruled out because of RoW? I'm curious about this RoW, which logically, doesn't seem to make any sense at all... If somebody is attacking or defending or doing anything at all, a stab to a vital area should count.

Also, I've seen many "rush" type attacks from both sides, people just flying at eachother going for some poke. IMO, that whoever hits 1st thing is stupid, because in reality your life would be at stake, and you wouldn't be so careless(at least I would hope not). I assure you, some of the jumping assaults I've seen are ridiculous and would definately end in the death of the assailant.

Not to mention, almost all of rushing i've seen, both people usually get hit at about the same time. Who cares if it was a split second later? They'd both be dead, or seriously injured, depending on target area.

Again though, I'm not sure how this is regarded in the sport of fencing, although I hope for more realism.

Cheers

Errr... this is a sport. Fencing is an art. It's not about "killing" people, or anything like that. If you want to "kill" someone, go do it with your friends. It's a good way of "thinning the heard"

[Hobbes]

Originally Posted by SinRift

Ok, I just wrote this whole dealy, but somehow my browser decided to crash, so anyway... I thought I'd share my frustration1@ #!#123kdamzxmxmAGrzz

Can you make a living from fencing? Not coaching.. :P

I'm not interested in trophies or prizes, just the love of the sword duel.

Is there a high rate of valid hits ruled out because of RoW? I'm curious about this RoW, which logically, doesn't seem to make any sense at all... If somebody is attacking or defending or doing anything at all, a stab to a vital area should count.

Also, I've seen many "rush" type attacks from both sides, people just flying at eachother going for some poke. IMO, that whoever hits 1st thing is stupid, because in reality your life would be at stake, and you wouldn't be so careless(at least I would hope not). I assure you, some of the jumping assaults I've seen are ridiculous and would definately end in the death of the assailant.

Not to mention, almost all of rushing i've seen, both people usually get hit at about the same time. Who cares if it was a split second later? They'd both be dead, or seriously injured, depending on target area.

Again though, I'm not sure how this is regarded in the sport of fencing, although I hope for more realism.

Cheers

is this a joke topic? If so, shouldn't be in the water cooler?

[Iron Monkey]

Originally Posted by SinRift

Ok, I just wrote this whole dealy, but somehow my browser decided to crash, so anyway... I thought I'd share my frustration1@ #!#123kdamzxmxmAGrzz

Can you make a living from fencing? Not coaching.. :P

I'm not interested in trophies or prizes, just the love of the sword duel.

Is there a high rate of valid hits ruled out because of RoW? I'm curious about this RoW, which logically, doesn't seem to make any sense at all... If somebody is attacking or defending or doing anything at all, a stab to a vital area should count.

Also, I've seen many "rush" type attacks from both sides, people just flying at eachother going for some poke. IMO, that whoever hits 1st thing is stupid, because in reality your life would be at stake, and you wouldn't be so careless(at least I would hope not). I assure you, some of the jumping assaults I've seen are ridiculous and would definately end in the death of the assailant.

Not to mention, almost all of rushing i've seen, both people usually get hit at about the same time. Who cares if it was a split second later? They'd both be dead, or seriously injured, depending on target area.

Again though, I'm not sure how this is regarded in the sport of fencing, although I hope for more realism.

Cheers

Go find a club that's rooted in SCA, and have a ball... Chances are you'll like it a lot more than sport fencing.

[Pescados666]

You should fence epee. I'll leave it at that...

EDIT: Relized you seem to not like fleches, that could be a problem in epee.

[TrainingDummy]

Originally Posted by freerider258

Errr... this is a sport. Fencing is an art. It's not about "killing" people, or anything like that. If you want to "kill" someone, go do it with your friends. It's a good way of "thinning the heard"

Just because you're deaf doesn't mean you have to be such a jerk.

[OROD]

Originally Posted by SinRift

Can you make a living from fencing? Not coaching..

Absolutely! For example, I'm a fencing gigolo. I travel the world, going from club to club, and tournament to tournament finding lonely fencer girls. Then I offer my "services" to them and, well, it goes from there. I make quite a nice living, and leave a trail of satisfied women behind me.

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[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by Phantom5588

If you're really, really good at it, yes.

Really? I remember Keith Smart working full time while he was training for the last Olympics, and he was #1 on the FIE points list for awhile.

If you can come up with examples then OK, but I can't think of a time when someone made any significant amount of money from fencing, much less enough to live on.

[HDG]

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

I can't think of a time when someone made any significant amount of money from fencing, much less enough to live on.

This being an amateur sport and all.

[fencerbill]

Originally Posted by freerider258

Errr... this is a sport. Fencing is an art. It's not about "killing" people, or anything like that. If you want to "kill" someone, go do it with your friends. It's a good way of "thinning the heard"

I must confessed I laughed.

If we are going to continue this blather perhaps we should run a poll.

Question:

Which is more appropriate for this thread?

Choices:

a. "Thinning the heard"?

B. "Thinning the herd"?

Second the motion to move to the WC.

Your choice for what WC means.

[Phantom5588]

clarification: by substantial monetary income, I meant when your income from competing at high levels is nearly the same or equal to what you spend to be at this level, and yes, endorsements are nice, but usually don't cover much seeing as this is not a huge spectator sport.

Besides, people who fence have wealth in the satisfaction of knowing that they are the elite.

Other than that, we mere mortals take pride in the fact that we stand more of a chance in the event of a ninja attack (or a zombie attack...or zombie ninjas for that matter ) than the common lay person.

[TrainingDummy]

Originally Posted by Phantom5588

clarification: by substantial monetary income, I meant when your income from competing at high levels is nearly the same or equal to what you spend to be at this level, and yes, endorsements are nice, but usually don't cover much seeing as this is not a huge spectator sport.

Besides, people who fence have wealth in the satisfaction of knowing that they are the elite.

Other than that, we mere mortals take pride in the fact that we stand more of a chance in the event of a ninja attack (or a zombie attack...or zombie ninjas for that matter ) than the common lay person.

If a ninja or zobie attack actually happens I'm going to hole up with my friends who have guns. You can stay with fencers if you like. I'd probably still wear my mask, though!

[Phantom5588]

Originally Posted by TrainingDummy

If a ninja or zobie attack actually happens I'm going to hole up with my friends who have guns. You can stay with fencers if you like. I'd probably still wear my mask, though!

In the event of a ninja/zombie (or any combination of the two) attack, the ONE thing that I would never do would be to light them on fire. Very bad idea. Maybe only slightly more effective on ninjas, but absolutely no good for zombies. UNLESS (and this is the ONLY exception) we were to napalm them.

[HDG]

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