04-22-2008, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by HDG I still want to know where this money comes from. | Top fencers in certain countries are paid by their Ministry of Sport or similar government body. Generally it's a modest amount, but enough to live on.
So if SinRift (who I think may be a fiction) were to become extremely good and then gain citizenship (should he not already have it) and a National Team spot in a country that pays its top fencers, he would, in fact, be able to make a living as a fencer. |
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04-22-2008, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by HDG I still want to know where this money comes from. | Then I will refer you to either Jason or OROD's posts on this topic.
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04-22-2008, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OROD Absolutely! For example, I'm a fencing gigolo. I travel the world, going from club to club, and tournament to tournament finding lonely fencer girls. Then I offer my "services" to them and, well, it goes from there.  I make quite a nice living, and leave a trail of satisfied women behind me.
. | In reality, OROD is down $4K by going after the gal hired by Spitzer.
And then she sued him for lack of point control.
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04-22-2008, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TrainingDummy Just because you're deaf doesn't mean you have to be such a jerk. | OOO my bad
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04-22-2008, 11:24 AM
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If you don't like RoW, you might be an epeeist.
If you think simultaneous hits should both count, you might be an epeeist.
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04-22-2008, 11:29 AM
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although I hope for more realism
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04-22-2008, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason Top fencers in certain countries are paid by their Ministry of Sport or similar government body. Generally it's a modest amount, but enough to live on.
So if SinRift (who I think may be a fiction) were to become extremely good and then gain citizenship (should he not already have it) and a National Team spot in a country that pays its top fencers, he would, in fact, be able to make a living as a fencer. | And then there are the countries where fencers are members of the military whose only duties are fencing.
Come to think of it, don't we have a tiny program like that? one officer, one enlisted (reserve, I think).
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04-22-2008, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantom5588 Those who don't like ROW, fence epee. | But they will NEVER do well in epee.
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04-22-2008, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fencerbill And then there are the countries where fencers are members of the military whose only duties are fencing.
Come to think of it, don't we have a tiny program like that? one officer, one enlisted (reserve, I think). | Lt. Seth Kelsey and Pvt. Cody Mattern, isn't it? I believe it was covered in the last issue of American Fencing. |
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04-22-2008, 03:01 PM
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| LOL Orod, not exactly the living I was talking about, but it'll have to do...
I'm down for a holo-deck, sounds great.
SCA seems odd...
Fleches just seem like a foolish tactic to me, in a sword duel..
AND, Chainmail + swords = zombie pwnage. Also, guns run out of ammo, swords don't.
I was turning to fencing as an alternative to killing people, playful competition is all I'm looking for, and people to do it with. Some of you guys sure are sarcastic around here, I think I may be able to tell which ones of you pre-maturely celebrate in bouts. ;P
I have yet to see an endorsed fencer selling a pepsi product, soo... lol
I don't see why not though, I mean... SWORD DUELING!? How come so many people would rather watch cars drive in circles while baking in the sun and yet get frustrated driving in traffic? I'm thinking Beer. But oh well, that's people for ya'.
Oh, who's a fiction? What? :d
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04-22-2008, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SinRift Fleches just seem like a foolish tactic to me, in a sword duel..
AND, Chainmail + swords = zombie pwnage. Also, guns run out of ammo, swords don't.  | 1) Yes, but they work quite well when you're playing tag with whippy sticks.
2) Guns run out of ammunition, but they don't get tired. |
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04-22-2008, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SinRift LOL Orod, not exactly the living I was talking about, but it'll have to do...
I'm down for a holo-deck, sounds great.
SCA seems odd...
Fleches just seem like a foolish tactic to me, in a sword duel..
AND, Chainmail + swords = zombie pwnage. Also, guns run out of ammo, swords don't.
I was turning to fencing as an alternative to killing people, playful competition is all I'm looking for, and people to do it with. Some of you guys sure are sarcastic around here, I think I may be able to tell which ones of you pre-maturely celebrate in bouts. ;P
I have yet to see an endorsed fencer selling a pepsi product, soo... lol
I don't see why not though, I mean... SWORD DUELING!? How come so many people would rather watch cars drive in circles while baking in the sun and yet get frustrated driving in traffic? I'm thinking Beer. But oh well, that's people for ya'.
Oh, who's a fiction? What? :d | Fleches work well because they're unexpected. They don't work if expected. If you're fighting a life-or-death duel, a fleche could work just as well (IRL, that is) because it's an unexpected action. All unexpected (but controlled) actions work pretty well. All expected actions (controlled or not) don't work as well. That's in real life or on the strip.
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04-22-2008, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by edew Fleches work well because they're unexpected. | Fleches also work well if you combine them with a bladework action that prevents your opponent from hitting you as you fleche at them.
A well-executed fleche is often more than simply throwing yourself at your opponent.
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04-22-2008, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KidLazy But they will NEVER do well in epee. | They might understand RoW, and use it to their advantage, but not neccessarily want to put up with it all the time. Never say never... |
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04-22-2008, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SinRift LOL Orod, not exactly the living I was talking about, but it'll have to do...
I'm down for a holo-deck, sounds great.
SCA seems odd...
Fleches just seem like a foolish tactic to me, in a sword duel..
AND, Chainmail + swords = zombie pwnage. Also, guns run out of ammo, swords don't.
I was turning to fencing as an alternative to killing people, playful competition is all I'm looking for, and people to do it with. Some of you guys sure are sarcastic around here, I think I may be able to tell which ones of you pre-maturely celebrate in bouts. ;P
I have yet to see an endorsed fencer selling a pepsi product, soo... lol
I don't see why not though, I mean... SWORD DUELING!? How come so many people would rather watch cars drive in circles while baking in the sun and yet get frustrated driving in traffic? I'm thinking Beer. But oh well, that's people for ya'.
Oh, who's a fiction? What? :d |
I think some people on this thread suspect you of being someone they know, coming on with a new moniker to restart an old argument which has been rehashed many times before. Assuming that you are genuine, I will try to restate some things that have already been said. Fencing is an Olympic sport that originally derived from the practice of duelling with swords. It is not, nor does it claim to be duelling or training for duelling. It does, however use much of the same jargon and actions that were originally devised for duelling, such as the lunge, parry and reposte, and the fleche.. Some of the actions used by competitive fencers would be suicide in a real duel, but that's the point. IT IS NOT DUELLING. What fencing is is a fast paced, athletic, cerebral sport that involves intense one-on-one competition. Aside from the SCA, there are people who call themselves "classical fencers" who attempt to recreate fencing with period weapons such as rapiers, broadswords etc. This is not the same thing as Olympic style fencing. So when you say that "you couldn't do that in a REAL duel" you are inviting sarcasm because in the 21st century, there is no such thing as a REAL duel. It's illegal, and besides, if you mean to kill someone, guns are more efficient. |
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04-22-2008, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Epee there are people who call themselves "classical fencers" who attempt to recreate fencing with period weapons such as rapiers, broadswords etc. | I'd say that the "classical fencers" are those who fence the way the sport was conducted in the 20's/30's.
"Historical Fencers" are those that try to accurately recreate period techniques and weaponry.
"SCAdians" work in a sort of idealized historical recreation. Some more accurately than others.
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04-22-2008, 11:43 PM
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#37 | | gother than thou
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Originally Posted by SinRift
I was turning to fencing as an alternative to killing people, playful competition is all I'm looking for, and people to do it with. Some of you guys sure are sarcastic around here, I think I may be able to tell which ones of you pre-maturely celebrate in bouts. ;P | oOOo a three-fer. Complaining about people cheering now too
Boring troll is boring. |
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04-23-2008, 10:01 PM
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| I think SCA fencing might be the type you are looking for..... |
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