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  1. 04-19-2008 04:15 PM #1
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    Curacao Vet tournament

    OK, I completely forgot, and I haven't seen anything resembling a report, much less results.

    Did anyone go?
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  2. 04-19-2008 07:51 PM #2
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    Several Americans did win medals. I don't think they got their expected 200 International fencers.



    http://www.coupecuracao.com/results2008.html
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    Thanks, Bill.

    Oddly, the "Results" link takes me to the entry form for the tournament.
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  4. 04-20-2008 03:49 PM #4
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    WINNERS OF THE 6 CUPS:

    Women 50+
    Women’s Foil : Mieke de Graaf-Stoel (HOL)
    Women’s Epee : Marianne Bosco (USA)
    Women’s Sabre : Ellen O’Leary (USA)

    Men 50+
    Men’s Foil : Thomas Lutton (USA)
    Men’s Epee : Jim Adams (USA)
    Men’s Sabre : Oscar Kardolus (HOL)

    MEDALLISTS OF THE TWO AGE CATEGORIES

    Women’s Foil 50-59
    Gold : Mieke de Graaf-Stoel (HOL)
    Silver : Patricia Lutton (USA)

    Women’s Foil 60+
    Gold : Ellen O’Leary (USA)

    Women’s Epee 50-59
    Gold : Marianne Bosco (USA)
    Silver : Janice Midgley (USA)
    Bronce : Josephine Rorberg (USA); Patricia Lutton (USA)

    Women’s Epee 60+
    Gold : Patricia Shepherd-Foster (GBR)
    Silver : Ellen O’Leary (USA)
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    That much I saw. I was kind of hoping for the complete results, though...
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  6. 04-20-2008 05:04 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inquartata View Post
    That much I saw. I was kind of hoping for the complete results, though...
    I am afraid that might have been the complete results. Tom and Pat Lutton are lovely people, I was honored to attend their wedding. Last I heard Pat was unrated in Epee and an E in Foil. Jim Adams is almost 50 plus 20. I'm not saying they couldn't be successful, rather that a lot of likely competitors were not there.

    I suspect an additional incentive for Pat and Tom to be there was another opportunity to "dance the taango".
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  7. 04-20-2008 07:54 PM #7
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    I did hear Ms O'Leary's cow was on fire during the tournament...
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  8. 04-20-2008 08:19 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by fencerbill View Post
    I'm not saying they couldn't be successful, rather that a lot of likely competitors were not there.
    So you're saying that they answered the question, "What happens when you have a tournament and nobody came?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by fencerbill View Post
    I am afraid that might have been the complete results.
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    Jim Adams is almost 50 plus 20. I'm not saying they couldn't be successful, rather that a lot of likely competitors were not there."
    Does that explain why there was no 60+ men's epee listed (a most popular segment)? At first glance I thought it must be a mistake. Anyone know how many fencers there were?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjefferies View Post
    Does that explain why there was no 60+ men's epee listed (a most popular segment)? At first glance I thought it must be a mistake. Anyone know how many fencers there were?
    Tom & Pat Lutton are in the Bay area, call them up.
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    I heard the events were quite small (ie. 6 in women's epee?). However, I also heard the whole thing was WONDERFUL. A ton of fun, incredibly nice people, beautiful place, etc. More like a great vacation with some fencing. However, I hope they do it again next year and that I am able to go. Hopefully, the second year more people will attend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fencerbill View Post
    Tom & Pat Lutton are in the Bay area, call them up.
    Apparently they are both foilists and only she is active in the Bay Cup which is why I didn't recognize the names. Looking at the lists he is an A07? but she is a "E-06" and she took the silver. Well congratulations to her. I'll bet they had fun.

    Easier to ask Jim Adams.
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    Detailed description of results at:

    http://www.usaveteransfencing.org/news.htm

    Looks like 12 US fencers and 7 others. A wonderful time was had by all.
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